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Old 08-22-2013, 10:39 AM   #2836
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Good afternoon, woody.
First, sorry for my bad english. I wanna ask you one question, hope you help me solve this problem.
I have a 950adv and my front rim is garbish.
I have a excel 1'60 from a 450 exc to put there, can it fit without changing the spokes?
I read somewhere that it can be done only changing one side of the spokes. That,s correct? If it is, witch side and what length do i buy?
Can you help me?
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:20 PM   #2837
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hi Dave,,,,when i see the wheel,,,i'll know what era that wheel was done in,,,and by whom it was done by.

FYI,,i have done several hundred of these over the years,,,,with many versions of sealants and protecting tapes....the protecting tape was meant to provide an extra measure of protection against errant tire irons,,,i've learned that even when we use our touchless tire mounting machinery,,,great care and much lube needs to be used when mounting and dismounting,,otherwise the machine will just squeeze the tape and separate it leading it to eventually ball up due to wheel rotation forces....it just looks ugly,,,,OBTW i recently noticed the correlation between a few wheels with messed up packing tape,,if the tape was applied in the same direction as tire
rotation it stayed in place,,,,if the end of tape got dislodged it would start flinging out and unwind itsrlf into a little ball

once again great care,cleanliness and patience in performing the sealing technique are paramount to ensure long term success. When performed that way success is enhanced.

Amazingly ,i get wheels in here for tire changes that were done 25 years ago with circa 100,000+/- miles on em,,,as the testimonials constantly appear in these posts.

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Old 08-23-2013, 11:54 AM   #2838
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What dou need to convert front 450EXC rim to 950/990 ADV???

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Good afternoon, woody.
First, sorry for my bad english. I wanna ask you one question, hope you help me solve this problem.
I have a 950adv and my front rim is garbish.
I have a excel 1'60 from a 450 exc to put there, can it fit without changing the spokes?
I read somewhere that it can be done only changing one side of the spokes. That,s correct? If it is, witch side and what length do i buy?
Can you help me?
Thank you.
We routinely perform this conversion for folks who try to save some $$$,,,
We have the equipment and expertise to modify that rim and make it work.

The stumbling block is your rim is indexed/drilled for a standard Japanese Pattern,,your 950adv is drilled for 'euro' pattern,,by adding or subtracting one spoke cross we switch the rotation /index on that side,,we prefer using a X3 pattern because it is stronger

Minimally you will need 18 longer spokes for the X3 circa $50 in SS. You can re-use your old nipples

AND you need to re-angle and countersink the X3 side spoke holes in rim to match the new angle of the X3pattern circa $25

I'm not at the shop but will get someone to add that information here

New OA[overall] spoke length= 9 3/8'' = 9.375''= 23.8cm overall length
or 9'' = 22.8cm main body x 3/8'' =.375'' = .953cm throat x 25 degree bend

FYI in plain metric the OA total length of spoke = 23.8cm....from end of spoke by threads to under the head of the spoke,,,the spoke needs to bent up 25 degrees .953cm from under the head....that leaves 22.8 cm from center of bend to the end of the spoke that has the threads.

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Old 08-24-2013, 11:53 AM   #2839
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We routinely perform this converse for folks who try to save some $$$,,,

New spoke length= 9 3/8'' overall length 9'' body x 3/8'' throat x 25 degree bend

Woody
I'm not quite understanding this unit of measure and my english is really bad.
In centimeters, how much?
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Old 08-24-2013, 08:30 PM   #2840
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the answers in cm are in my previous answer/post

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I'm not quite understanding this unit of measure and my english is really bad.
In centimeters, how much?
go one post back ,,please re-read

answers in cm

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Old 08-29-2013, 04:15 PM   #2841
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Woody,

Firstly, thanks a lot for the feedback, it's clear you are the technical authority when it comes to wheels.

Quick question, can I use GS/GSA wheel rims on a KTM 690 to get to a 19/17 setup for tubeless tyres. I like that idea as there is no need to rely on sealant around the spokes. Are there any other alternatives that avoid sealing around the spokes. Are the rims from GS or alternatives classed as good quality for ADV touring. I assume the GS rims must be good given the track record on a heavy bike.

You stated that one of the cons would be a slight loss of offroad performance. How significant would that be to a novice off road rider (who needs all the help available). The reality is that in most cases I will be on sealed roads, For a bit of context I've crossed the Andes a number of times on a GSA and not had any issues.

I'm now starting to set up for a possible Russia trip which is why I have gone to the 690.

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Old 08-30-2013, 02:14 AM   #2842
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genuine tubeless X-laced rims on 690 KTM??? you bet!!!!

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Woody,

Firstly, thanks a lot for the feedback, it's clear you are the technical authority when it comes to wheels.

Quick question, can I use GS/GSA wheel rims on a KTM 690 to get to a 19/17 setup for tubeless tyres.?????

sorry...NO....GS rims use 40 spokes ,,KTMs 36

I like that idea as there is no need to rely on sealant around the spokes.
Are there any other alternatives that avoid sealing around the spokes.


yes,,,we have adapted the 19/17 X_laced rims of the aprillia Caponord for many 36 hole hubs...
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=465628


Are the rims from GS or alternatives classed as good quality
for ADV touring. I assume the GS rims must be good given the track record on a heavy bike.

they must be adequate 'cuz i've had no comebacks,,,as to the ''quality'',,well i've seen better stuff in my day....

You stated that one of the cons would be a slight loss of offroad performance. How significant would that be to a novice off road rider (who needs all the help available). The reality is that in most cases I will be on sealed roads, For a bit of context I've crossed the Andes a number of times on a GSA and not had any issues.

totally insignificant in your case,,,the X-laced pattern is about as tough a wheel design that i've seen,,IMHO


I'm now starting to set up for a possible Russia trip which is why I have gone to the 690.

After watching the two brits wrestle their behemoths across the tundra,,has me cringing in my lowers,,,,i had a similar experience trying to pick my fully loaded r1100GS somewhere in the desert outside of las vegas,,heel within a week i bought me pair of KLR650s,,,for my ''adventuring'',,have been grinning ever since

here's some more links:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284243

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...31&postcount=1

thanks,

dave

psst,,ya can have Superlite,superlaced wheels sealed fro tubeless fro 1/2 the cost of the Caponord set-up....
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Old 09-08-2013, 10:29 PM   #2843
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Hi Woody,I am in the process of building a cafe based on a '84 twin shock R100 bmw.For the rear wheel I am looking to use a hub from 77 RS ,X laced to a rim from a 94 R100R. Do you think this or something similar would be possible? Thanks.
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Old 09-09-2013, 09:03 AM   #2844
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swapping rims on X-laced tubeless BMW wheels,,,do-able???

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Hi Woody,I am in the process of building a cafe based on a '84 twin shock R100 bmw.For the rear wheel I am looking to use a hub from 77 RS ,X laced to a rim from a 94 R100R. Do you think this or something similar would be possible? Thanks.

been there and done that


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Old 09-12-2013, 09:11 AM   #2845
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Just shipped my wheel to Woody's yesterday. Looking forward to retiring my wobbly, bent, dented and chipped stock front rim.
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:32 AM   #2846
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Hey Woody,

I have a 2007 Honda XR650L and I am trying to put together an extra set of wheels.

The rear is no issue, I will just be ordering a new set of spokes for the stock 18” setup.

The front is going to be “custom” and I need some help with spokes.
I’m going for a “budget” 18”/18” supermoto type setup for the spare wheels.
I will be using a 1993 XR600 front hub (36 spoke) and I plan to use a rim from the back of a 1983 Honda CR250 (18” 36 spoke).


I need to find out if I will need to send you the hub and rim to determine the correct spoke length/bend.
I wanted to check because I was hoping you might be able to determine the correct spoke length/bend from previous experience.


THANKS
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Old 09-16-2013, 11:36 AM   #2847
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"Hey Woody,

I have a 2007 Honda XR650L and I am trying to put together an extra set of wheels.

The rear is no issue, I will just be ordering a new set of spokes for the stock 18” setup.

The front is going to be “custom” and I need some help with spokes.
I’m going for a “budget” 18”/18” supermoto type setup for the spare wheels.
I will be using a 1993 XR600 front hub (36 spoke) and I plan to use a rim from the back of a 1983 Honda CR250 (18” 36 spoke).

I need to find out if I will need to send you the hub and rim to determine the correct spoke length/bend.
I wanted to check because I was hoping you might be able to determine the correct spoke length/bend from previous experience.
THANKS "

hi Leget

no problem for us ,,,maybe a problem for you....the pickle yo re in is converting a rear rim that had a bigger diameter and wider hub than the front be mounted/laced to a narrower/smaller diameter hub....

Hence the spoke angles will not be the same ,,you'll have the spokes bowing inwardin both directions....leading to premature spoke /wheel failure...

send the compnents out and we'll re-angle/re-counter sink the nipple holes for perfect alignment =$30 ea rim

i highly recommend asking for a superlace kit cuz the spokes and nipple for custom vs superlace are essentially the same $$$

Psssst ya can be frugal and order Zartan nipples and SAVE circa $20 per set

turnaround time a day or two usually
if we lace n true custom =$100/wheel [includes re-drilling /re-angling]

SUPERLACING is $111/wheel with improved lace patterns nipple sizes and one year warranty

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Old 09-17-2013, 10:37 PM   #2848
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hi Leget

no problem for us ,,,maybe a problem for you....the pickle yo re in is converting a rear rim that had a bigger diameter and wider hub than the front be mounted/laced to a narrower/smaller diameter hub....

Hence the spoke angles will not be the same ,,you'll have the spokes bowing inwardin both directions....leading to premature spoke /wheel failure...

send the compnents out and we'll re-angle/re-counter sink the nipple holes for perfect alignment =$30 ea rim

i highly recommend asking for a superlace kit cuz the spokes and nipple for custom vs superlace are essentially the same $$$

Psssst ya can be frugal and order Zartan nipples and SAVE circa $20 per set

turnaround time a day or two usually
if we lace n true custom =$100/wheel [includes re-drilling /re-angling]

SUPERLACING is $111/wheel with improved lace patterns nipple sizes and one year warranty

holler when you are ready

woody
Awesome, Thank you... good to hear that you can make this work.
I'll contact you about shipping the hub and rim to get fitted for the superlace kit.



One more question:
I plan to powdercoat the hub and rim, should this be done before or after i send them to you?
(I would guess it should be done after since you'll be doing some drilling)
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:10 AM   #2849
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what's the better sequence for powdercoating a hub before lacing??

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Awesome, Thank you... good to hear that you can make this work.
I'll contact you about shipping the hub and rim to get fitted for the superlace kit.



One more question:
I plan to powdercoat the hub and rim, should this be done before or after i send them to you?
(I would guess it should be done after since you'll be doing some drilling)
the better sequence is to do all the prep work/drilling the prep hub for powdercoating and then re-lace it
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:41 AM   #2850
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How much for a cush hub setup reusing the stock wheel for an XR650r? And how much more for a heavy duty black wheel and heavy duty spokes?
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