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Old 09-08-2013, 09:12 PM   #211
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This is what differentiates Canada from the lower lands. I've lived very close to the Quebec border since I was 10.

I was invited to a free jazz concert at the Haskell Opera House. The Haskell is situated on the line between Derby Line, VT and Stanstead, PQ. This was before 9/11 and all the "Homeland Security" BS.

Canadian customs covered the north exits, and the American Douanes the southern. You could tell the Canadians, because they got into the jazz. The Americans stood at attention as if they had a stick up their butts.

It was hot big-band jazz. I looked over a row left and down two seats, and said "Damn, that son of a bitch looks exactly like Donald Sutherland, just a little older!" It was Donald Sutherland, just a little older.

I had the honor of trying to grab the same stalk of broccoli he was after in the market a few months later, on this side of the line. I guess I didn't make much of an impression. He didn't recognize me. Sic Transit Gloria.

It's far closer up there than it is down here.

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Old 09-09-2013, 02:37 AM   #212
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It's been a long long time since I read The Boat Who Wouldn't Float, a book I thoroughly enjoyed, and which is a great example of freedom and adventure, the perfect kind of book for people at advrider.com.


I don't, however, remember Mowat ever coming up the west coast. The book tells the tale of Mowat's quest to buy a Nfld sailboat and take it to the Caribbean. He ends up never going south, but spends years exploring the south coast of Nfld, meets his wife, and writes several other books, including A Whale for the Killing.

He eventually does manage to leave the island with the sailboat, making it to Cap Breton, and eventually sailing up the St. Lawrence, but I don't recall him ever going up the west coast.
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Muddy Hole is where Mowat bought his boat "Itchy Ass Sally" blind drunk at night in the fog, according to the novel. He may or may not have. It sounds like a place where one could buy such a schooner.

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He eventually does manage to leave the island with the sailboat, making it to Cap Breton, and eventually sailing up the St. Lawrence, but I don't recall him ever going up the west coast.
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Old 09-09-2013, 01:02 PM   #214
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Muddy Hole is where Mowat bought his boat "Itchy Ass Sally" blind drunk at night in the fog, according to the novel. He may or may not have. It sounds like a place where one could buy such a schooner.
Well, he may have invented the name. But he actually bought the boat on the south shore, which in the south-eastern part of the Avalon peninsula.
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Given the direct nature of many Newfoundland place names, I suspect there's more than one Muddy Hole. We've got more Mud Ponds in northern New England than you can shake a stick at as well.

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Well, he may have invented the name. But he actually bought the boat on the south shore, which in the south-eastern part of the Avalon peninsula.
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Old 10-01-2013, 06:47 PM   #216
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The Rock 2014 Is Scheduled

For those of you who've read this thread and think you may enjoy participating in 2014, we are again planning a trip in the last two weeks of August 2014. Please read the particulars carefully if you wish to sign up. The trip will be much on the lines of the 2013, although I would like to plan 10 days on the island rather than seven. It will be geared toward 650 cc and smaller machines, tenting and cooking out in the many free and beautiful areas in Newfoundland. This means tents, rain gear, and freeze-dried meals on most nights.

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Old 10-31-2013, 04:43 AM   #217
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Great read. Great writing. Great pics as well.
Thanks for the perspective. Living in Newfoundland, we often look but don't see. I enjoyed your "view".
And thanks for learning the history of this place. We sometimes have a bit of an inferiority complex here. You have done well to inform without bias.
Hope to meet when you get here in 2014.
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Old 10-31-2013, 12:24 PM   #218
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Thanks. I've been reading more Canadian history recently, and it's been revealing. Canada has more divisive forces at work than the US, and yet has managed to avoid civil war and upheaval except for a few scuffles early on, and another few in the '70's.

We managed to kill off 620,000 Americans in one shot in our nation-building exercise, and large numbers of our native peoples before and afterward.

I'd agree that Canadians are certainly more introspective about their government than we are. There's certainly no cause for an inferiority complex.


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Great read. Great writing. Great pics as well.
Thanks for the perspective. Living in Newfoundland, we often look but don't see. I enjoyed your "view".
And thanks for learning the history of this place. We sometimes have a bit of an inferiority complex here. You have done well to inform without bias.
Hope to meet when you get here in 2014.
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Old 11-02-2013, 03:29 PM   #219
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Great RR and pics.

If you make it to the Avalon next time around, you'll really get to understand how the province got the nickname "The Rock" lol. Armor is a must riding offroad on this side of the island.

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Old 11-02-2013, 07:14 PM   #220
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Thanks, Joe.

We intend to make it to the eastern portion of the island in 2014. We were all wearing jackets with armor. Anton and I wore MX knee pads, and Adam had pants with internal pads. I agree it's a must. There are enough pointy rocks around that a simple spill could turn serious without them. I'd also say that good off-road boots are a necessity. Even close to the pavement, one is often pretty far away from rescue.

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Great RR and pics.

If you make it to the Avalon next time around, you'll really get to understand how the province got the nickname "The Rock" lol. Armor is a must riding offroad on this side of the island.

Thanks for Sharing
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If you come, let me know, I have a huge back yard if the weather is nice, and if not a large garage you guys can stay in. I'd offer the house but you'd be better outside away from my 3 kids. lol

Also, Between myself and a few of the local RTRer's on here there is nothing we can't repair on a bike.

Be nice to offload the bikes for a day and get to see what the east coast has to offer without 50lbs of extra gear.

Agree with the boots, I wear my tech's evrywhere, much to the spite of my wife, lol

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We'll take you up on that if we're over your way!

I'd like to invite you over to the planning thread in the Canada regional forum. The more local knowledge we have, the better. Besides, it's kind of a fun thread, although not always topical. Sturgeon knows both the current Governor General and Red Green, so that keeps things fun.


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If you come, let me know, I have a huge back yard if the weather is nice, and if not a large garage you guys can stay in. I'd offer the house but you'd be better outside away from my 3 kids. lol

Also, Between myself and a few of the local RTRer's on here there is nothing we can't repair on a bike.

Be nice to offload the bikes for a day and get to see what the east coast has to offer without 50lbs of extra gear.

Agree with the boots, I wear my tech's evrywhere, much to the spite of my wife, lol
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:02 AM   #223
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Great job on the ride report, brings new inspiration to take the bike to NFLD.
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:18 PM   #224
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Maybe I'll ride my new to me 1981 Yamaha XT250. Thanks Tim!!!
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:58 PM   #225
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There's a repro rear fender on Ebay for that rig, Tom. It's not cheap, though. I'd spend my money on a rear shock, instead. Klaus over at YSS USA ought to be able to put one together for a reasonable price. Get 'er buttoned up and ride 'er. Everyone needs a riding classic in the stable, and that one has the potential to be pretty, and a lot of fun. When's the last time you rode a dual-sport you could flat-foot?

I wouldn't be reluctant to bring a 250 to Newfoundland, even an old-school ride. There's not a lot of places to burn your hair off, so something that tops out at 70 mph will get you through. Light weight and good gas mileage would go far, so long as you kept the baggage down.

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