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Old 09-15-2013, 05:54 AM   #16
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with all due respect BMW does not make a water cooled GS.
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:05 AM   #17
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with all due respect BMW does not make a water cooled GS.
This dead horse has been kicked so many times on this forum already.
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:05 AM   #18
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I am riding about 400klm a week more on my 13 GSW than I did on my previous bikes. Anytime there is a club sportsbike run I am in. I can keep up with and outperform a lot of them on this beast. I mainly ride road and often inner city congested traffic and do spirited weekend rides with minimum offroad. Saying that I did 60-80 klm of gravel and mountain last week and it was relatively easy to handle and comfortable for an offroader with minimal experience.

I agree that the gearbox is clunky when warm but that is no big deal once you expect it.

This bike is an absolute sizzler and still manages to perform all expected GS duties such as off road travel and pack mule loading.

If they release a much improved model in 2015 or when ever and I give a shit then i will trade it in but at this stage I see no reason to change it.

This bike is a watershed in motorbike history.
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:25 AM   #19
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Appreciate the replies, and maybe a little more background is required to address the obvious question - why don't I just go down and try both at the BMW dealer? I am planning to do that next week, but to be honest, because I am a real newbie on big bikes, I doubt I will be able to tell the difference on a test drive. Back in the 80s I put 50,000 miles on a Kawasaki 400, but only got back into biking a couple of years ago on my 650GS. From the real veterans here it sounds like, except for initial quality concerns, cost and (arguably) some types of off-road riding, most think the new model is a pretty big leap forward. But the 2008-2012 is a great bike and would do me more than adequately for a few years as well as leave a fair chunk of change in my pocket for other bad habits.
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Old 09-15-2013, 07:13 AM   #20
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You'll be able to tell the difference, not just in the performance but in the overall design and features, I'm also more comfortable on the new bike, better seat, not as fat and more legroom.
For me the GSW was well worth the extra expense, for others its not.
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Old 09-15-2013, 07:32 AM   #21
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1200GSW vs older GS

I've had all previous oil head/cams.GS 1100,1150,05-1200.Plus F650.All had rear drive troubles,(except 650)

350,000 miles on 4 GSs.Bought waterhead two months ago,currently have almost 10,000 miles on GSW.

It's the best of the bunch.Yes,the tranny crunches.Stock seat in typically uncomfortable.I'm running a one man campaign against seeing GSs decked out in Touratech just to run to Starbucks,so I bought Varios.Mistake.GlobeScout/Jesses(4 previous sets) in my near future.

Love the cruise control.Other than that,the tech controls a bunch of problems I don't have.I don't need to change my "mode" when riding in rain or off road.I don't ride two up,so I don't need to change my suspension electronically.

Boy,is it quick.And smooth.My biggest problem is dealing with the risk I take.Do I have the squirt to make that pass of three cars going up hill?.....Yes,I do/did.Can I do four next time? Never seen/felt anything like it.

Cost? Typically I can be concerned with cost pre purchase.Afterwards,never.Particularly if it's something that turns out to be what I'd hoped it would be.The GSW is that and more.

I wouldn't worry about the "new" model criticism.As someone recently posted,that's most likely coming from a guy who can't afford a new bike right now.:-). The problems I have had with my previous GSs where when they had a bunch of miles on them.

Buy the new bike,if you can afford it.The $3 or $4,000 you might save won't make difference a month from now.Enjoy!
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Old 09-15-2013, 07:47 AM   #22
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I've had all previous oil head/cams.GS 1100,1150,05-1200.Plus F650.All had rear drive troubles,(except 650)

350,000 miles on 4 GSs.Bought waterhead two months ago,currently have almost 10,000 miles on GSW.

It's the best of the bunch.Yes,the tranny crunches.Stock seat in typically uncomfortable.I'm running a one man campaign against seeing GSs decked out in Touratech just to run to Starbucks,so I bought Varios.Mistake.GlobeScout/Jesses(4 previous sets) in my near future.

Love the cruise control.Other than that,the tech controls a bunch of problems I don't have.I don't need to change my "mode" when riding in rain or off road.I don't ride two up,so I don't need to change my suspension electronically.

Boy,is it quick.And smooth.My biggest problem is dealing with the risk I take.Do I have the squirt to make that pass of three cars going up hill?.....Yes,I do/did.Can I do four next time? Never seen/felt anything like it.

Cost? Typically I can be concerned with cost pre purchase.Afterwards,never.Particularly if it's something that turns out to be what I'd hoped it would be.The GSW is that and more.

I wouldn't worry about the "new" model criticism.As someone recently posted,that's most likely coming from a guy who can't afford a new bike right now.:-). The problems I have had with my previous GSs where when they had a bunch of miles on them.

Buy the new bike,if you can afford it.The $3 or $4,000 you might save won't make difference a month from now.Enjoy!
What problems have you had with the Varios? I was with a guy and we were touring the SE usa. Rained the entire trip. He must of had 40 lbs of hair care products in each bag. I swear it took us both to carry them into the hotel. Bags were water tight the entire trip. Same guy on west coast trip with Jesse bags and all his Hair care products rusted.
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Old 09-15-2013, 07:57 AM   #23
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After 60k on an 09 GS, w/o issues, I feel I know this scoot.
Really enjoyed my time w/ this machine, both cross country touring & riding through back canyon rds following more river bed than actual rd. This 09 was near perfect as a quarter ton ride could be for me. I compared the 09 to nothing. It was & is a scoot to buy at any time.

Now I may not be the rider to listen to regarding the new GSW. Only 5k on it but ratio wise I have put a lot more miles up & down the same canyons & found a more friendly handling scoot across the board. Sorry, but there is just little or no comparison in the GS models of yester years.

I did have to take the GSW back to a different dealer, about one real concern.
At around 2.5-2.8k I was on a paved back rd ride to a place called Beaver Head in NM. I was just empty of thought but for the feel of this new GSW. Started to drop the rpm & staying in higher gears, just to feel the lug factor & to better know the torque band. Have done the same thing w/ my 09 & on the same rd.
The rpm were low, by this I mean under 2k much of the time. My 09 nearly refused to come near this unless going down hill.
The GSW never shuttered, bucked or rattled. I am not going to run this low rpm as a normal duty on the GSW, nor do i suggest it. Again, I wanted to feel what this scoot would do & learn its response. It was a clean feeling. I kept thinking about the 2 oil pumps & the 4 qts of oils moving around.
I was very pleased as to what I found but also very concerned about a side effect. This was only a 190+ mile round trip. My mpg were mid 60s for the Beaver Head run. But later that wk it was 62 mpg & my riding was more spirited.
I made an apt w/ the Sandia BMW dealer in Albuquerque. Service manager (John) took it for a long test ride. My other concern was the vibes through the foot pegs at a mid range rpm. Service Manager said it was all very normal & that there were local owners coming in concerned too about a possible running too lean & they too were getting low 60s mpg.

I have talked to a few other owners & one who was on a tour of the US said he was only getting low 50s. Then he showed me a pix of a very loaded down GSW.

If I have any real issue on the (could have made this better) it would have to be the stock set up of the hand control levers. They should have been angled downward more for standing on the peg riding. I don't care to angle down the now level fluid reservoirs.

This GSW has improved every good aspect of my earlier 09 GS. I would still have my 09 had it not been for a fantastic trade in value. But the test ride was ever so sweet & it has only improved w/ time & miles.
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:15 AM   #24
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They should have been angled downward more for standing on the peg riding. I don't care to angle down the now level fluid reservoirs.
Why? Because it looks bad or you're worried about function of the reservoirs?

My new GS is about a week out!
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Old 09-15-2013, 09:11 AM   #25
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Trouble with Varios

I've had the Varios before on my 1150 GS and quickly exchanged them for Jesse's.I always carry waaaay too much stuff,particularly on week long trips.I can't fit all my stuff in the Varios.You can squeeze a bunch of stuff in top loading bags,but can't in side loading bags.Half the time,I can't get the door closed without rearranging the load.And I don't like having my contents fall out when I open the door.

Yes, my Jesse's leak.But my biggest problem,as others have said,is customer service.I've bought four sets of Jesse bags for my GSs and F650. On my most recent set of bags,I'd bought the exhaust extension to keep the heat/dirt off the side of the bag.The exhaust extension is held into the exhaust pipe by a spring.My spring broke,causing me to lose the extensions.I called Jesse to see about replacement. "Yes,we have them. That'll be $75,please" .As far as I'm concerned,that is a design issue and should be replaced as warranty.
So,I'm looking at bags other than Jesse to replace the Varios.

I've seen GlobeScout on a GSW and the owner was thrilled with the product.That may be my next set of bags.
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Old 09-15-2013, 09:37 AM   #26
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Appreciate the replies, and maybe a little more background is required to address the obvious question - why don't I just go down and try both at the BMW dealer? I am planning to do that next week, but to be honest, because I am a real newbie on big bikes, I doubt I will be able to tell the difference on a test drive. Back in the 80s I put 50,000 miles on a Kawasaki 400, but only got back into biking a couple of years ago on my 650GS. From the real veterans here it sounds like, except for initial quality concerns, cost and (arguably) some types of off-road riding, most think the new model is a pretty big leap forward. But the 2008-2012 is a great bike and would do me more than adequately for a few years as well as leave a fair chunk of change in my pocket for other bad habits.
Cricket You will be able to tell the difference. I would not worry about the problems that a few have had. Most of the bikes have been reliable. Some of the problems have been third party suppliers to BMW, others have been dealer related. But when you ride both bikes you will find 2 completely different bikes. The better one for you is the one that you like the best and are most comfortable with.
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Old 09-15-2013, 09:47 AM   #27
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The engine response of the LC boxer is much sharper compared to the Hex/Camhead motors. While that makes for a impressive test ride, ooh it wheelies, and fuels exciting magazine reviews, It has diminished the bikes ability offroad. The previous bikes ability to hook up on slippery terrain , or crawl along at low RPMs is gone. For riders who actually use the GS offroad, that's a shame. Here's to hoping BMW delivers the new Adventure model with engine characteristics suitable for a riding a large bike offroad.

I have to agree with you to a point, and that's where the crappy part of the water cooled boxer, for me. In order to make the brakes work well offroad and not spin yourself into the ditch with all those HPs, you need all the electrical goodies so the ABS and the ASC work well in the dirt. And I dont' want all those electrical gizmos. I don't want ASE at all, and I barely want ABS. But managing this beast off road is a lot easier with all of it fitted. Once all those goodies are working the bike actually runs like a dream offoad. With a lot of assistance. An ASE repair on the side of the track would be something to see.

Maybe they could enter a GSA model without the need for all this fancy electrical claptrap and easier throttle response and a lower 1st gear.



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Appreciate the replies, and maybe a little more background is required to address the obvious question - why don't I just go down and try both at the BMW dealer? I am planning to do that next week, but to be honest, because I am a real newbie on big bikes, I doubt I will be able to tell the difference on a test drive. Back in the 80s I put 50,000 miles on a Kawasaki 400, but only got back into biking a couple of years ago on my 650GS. From the real veterans here it sounds like, except for initial quality concerns, cost and (arguably) some types of off-road riding, most think the new model is a pretty big leap forward. But the 2008-2012 is a great bike and would do me more than adequately for a few years as well as leave a fair chunk of change in my pocket for other bad habits.
I gently beg to differ, sir. Once you hop on one bike after the other you will be well informed, not just the snap of the motor but the ergos, the weight. Weight being a sort of unfair comparison with a GSA vs a GS but I think you'll notice a substantial difference in the two even with your range of experience. I promise.

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Old 09-15-2013, 10:07 AM   #28
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crates of documentation that the product wasn't sound I smell BS. So it's the Americans fault for rushing the Germans? haha, right. Didn't you read they did a million miles of testing!
"crates of documentation" was not at all what I said. A crate WITH documentation.

Get involved with the rides they did to debut this bike and then tell me you smell BS. Until next time...
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Old 09-15-2013, 10:12 AM   #29
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I have a 2011 GSA and just demoed a WC while waiting for warranty work to be done. That was a bad idea. The new model is far superior in EVERY way. It actually pisses me off that I broke my rule of never riding a bike that I'm not willing to buy. When the GSA model comes out it is going to be a rough temptation.
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I was fearless. The 1200's I tried didn't tempt me much. I thought they were better, and the camhead was a lot better in some ways, but not quite as 'solid' as the old, simple, 1150. So I hopped on the water cooled version without concern.

That was a mistake.

Because that water cooled bike impressed me before I left the parking lot. The only thing that saved my bank account is my prohibition against 1st year motors.


That and whatever I buy next will have significant fuel capacity. So I'll check out the GSA.
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