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Old 09-17-2013, 04:46 PM   #31
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Ever heard the tooth fairy fart? Not gonna happen either.

Almost serious. I have heard a couple of stock HDs and I agree they sound pretty nice. Our master diver has a stock dyna. He said the salesman pretty much instantly tried to talk him into having pipes installed, for "more power." He was like I just want to go for a cruise with my wife, how much more power do I need? Would that more riders had that attitude.
I'm laughing because yesterday I head an HD pull up next to me at a light and thought "wow that's quiet and sounds good!" It had stock pipes on it...and...you guessed it...the dealer paper tag. He was probably on his way to have them replaced....
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Old 09-17-2013, 04:55 PM   #32
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so the point of the article is, if you're going to kill yourself just do it quietly?



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If people want to engage in high-risk speed-driving, they should be made to do it in relative silence
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I wonder if his "condo downtown" has a lawn that he can yell at people for walking across, or are all the cool kids already there?



part of living in a city is noise, period. Garbage trucks at very close proximity, road works, sirens, and yes the occasional loud bike. the rest of the crap is significantly more prolific than the bikes however if you were to live near a Santa Monica canyon, I feel for you for sure.
In all honesty, after having ridden in Los Angeles for 10 years almost every day, I have WAY less close calls on my Speed Triple (with annoying pipes) than my stock GS.

Having said that, when I move back to my quiet hometown in a few months, Im going to stockify the exhaust on the Speedy 3.

hell leaf blowers ARE ILLEGAL in Los Angeles but do I have to constantly hear that crap and have to breathe the two stroke exhaust, yes.
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:01 PM   #33
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How often do you hear a sportbike with stock exhaust?
How often do you hear a Yamaha cruiser with stock exhaust?
How often do you hear a Suzuki cruiser with stock exhauset?
How often do you hear a Honda cruiser with stock exhaust? (other than a Wing).

My observation around here is the Jap cruisers tend to be louder than the Harley's and I believe it is because they are trying to make em sound like em. Hell they try to make em look alike!

But my personal pet peeve is the sportbikes with the loud exhausts... and I believe it is because 9 out of 10 times it's because when you hear em, they tend to be running down the city streets at 40-50 miles over the speed limit at the top of their rpm limit in second gear. And of course when they stop it has to begin at the top of the rev limit in first gear....

It is extremely nave to believe this is a "Harley" issue.

Almost as stupid as expecting anyone to believe a bunch of people in a restaurant would give a rider seated inside, the stinkeye because a loud bike pulled onto the lot. (But it did give the poster another opportunity to bash a Harley...)

And by the way, I ride both. A Ultra Classic with stock pipes and a sportbike with stock pipes.
You do raise a good point here and I wanted to chime in -- when I was moaning about Harleys I should have been more explicit in referring to the outlaw-cruiser-'loud bikes are better' culture; in that culture the flagship marque is the Harley. I've seen quite a few and know quite a few HD riders that are perfectly nice folks with reasonable-noise pipes and are just like the rest of us.

The folks who make noise to turn heads are an issue -- It doesn't matter if it's an HD or a Kawasaki. As was already mentioned though, most of them don't care that those heads are turned in anger and annoyance, not admiration.
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:27 PM   #34
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I bet if you ranted and raved about loud pipes on a site that catered to cruisers and or Harleys you would get better results than you do here. At least you would have way more people to convert.
Not sure if the difference between loud Harley/cruisers and loud everything else is that great. Just that there are more Harley/cruisers out there.

I may or may not have posted in the HD forum, can't remember, at any rate I've got no hope of converting anyone. The only way the hardcore will stop is when they start getting tickets.
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:50 PM   #35
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Not sure if the difference between loud Harley/cruisers and loud everything else is that great. Just that there are more Harley/cruisers out there.

I may or may not have posted in the HD forum, can't remember, at any rate I've got no hope of converting anyone. The only way the hardcore will stop is when they start getting tickets.
Well, I'm glad we got that settled. Bye.
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:11 PM   #36
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How often do you hear a sportbike with stock exhaust?
How often do you hear a Yamaha cruiser with stock exhaust?
How often do you hear a Suzuki cruiser with stock exhauset?
How often do you hear a Honda cruiser with stock exhaust? (other than a Wing).

My observation around here is the Jap cruisers tend to be louder than the Harley's and I believe it is because they are trying to make em sound like em. Hell they try to make em look alike!

But my personal pet peeve is the sportbikes with the loud exhausts... and I believe it is because 9 out of 10 times it's because when you hear em, they tend to be running down the city streets at 40-50 miles over the speed limit at the top of their rpm limit in second gear. And of course when they stop it has to begin at the top of the rev limit in first gear....

It is extremely nave to believe this is a "Harley" issue.

Almost as stupid as expecting anyone to believe a bunch of people in a restaurant would give a rider seated inside, the stinkeye because a loud bike pulled onto the lot. (But it did give the poster another opportunity to bash a Harley...)

And by the way, I ride both. A Ultra Classic with stock pipes and a sportbike with stock pipes.
Well my V-Star has its stock, unmodified exhaust, my Ural's exhaust is louder than stock, but few would consider it loud..

Never understood trying to make a metric sound like Harley, after all, folks purchase metrics because they want an American classic or custom, but also want the more refined engineering and function of a UJM.
I like my V-Star the way it is, last thing I would want is to have it shake and sound like a paint shaker, otherwise I would have simply gotten another Harley.

No question that metric cruisers are on average are just as loud as Harleys, seems like there's lots of peer pressure to conform to the non conformist lifestyle image.

I too have experienced "the look" because of the bad behavior of other riders, and its kinda amusing in a sad sort of way how some riders confuse that contempt with respect.
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Old 09-18-2013, 09:15 AM   #37
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the bottom line is that the average person just sees/hears an obnoxious motorcycle and they really don't care if it's a Harley or a Sportbike that's loud.
Harley's are usually moving more slowly however....
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Old 09-18-2013, 10:14 AM   #38
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Why do they make the law about motos? Cages are often loud too. So are leaf-blowers, jackhammers, fireworks, and a bunch of other crap that people probably shouldn't be messing with during quiet hours.

I lived right along the Kennedy expressway in Chicago for many years, out towards O'Hare airport. With the windows closed, you could barely hear planes, el trains, or traffic going past...until some pinhead with a ridiculous stereo or set of open pipes went past. It didn't matter if they were on a bike or in a cage.

Now, I'm not the sharpest tool in the outhouse, but if I can ascertain that noise is noise, regardless of what it's coming from, why can't legislators and LEOs, ie., supposedly intelligent people, ascertain the same?
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But the good news is that some places are enforcing, I was out in Edmonton this summer and they equipped the Police with decibel meters.

Lots of the 'wads were getting tickets.

This should happen everywhere. If we want to be respected as legitimate and treated with respect and courtesy, it is time to "silence" the a**hats.
Now I'm all about being respectful to my fellow neighbors and such but there are a lot of lunatics out there that would complain about the smallest noise. What are we to do about them?? Oh, lets turn all of our bikes in and get electric ones... that'll keep the noise down!!

I was camping at Flagstaff lake in a remote location and I got up early to enjoy the sunrise. As I was lighting the fire I heard some noise. WHAT??? NOISE WHILE I'M CAMPING??? UNHEARD OF!! IT SHOULD BE QUIET OUT IN THE WILDERNESS!!!! It was a chainsaw and then I heard the logging trucks. OH NO!! IT WASN'T ALL PIECE AND QUIET!!! WHAT AM I TO DO???

Now lets have an adult conversation about this. Some of us enjoy hearing our engines. It was part of the muscle car era and is a part of motorcycles for a group of us. If you're offended by it then TURN YOUR HEARING AID DOWN!! Seriously, it's part of life. Life is noise. Excess isn't a measurement. What's excessive to one person isn't excessive to another.

Yeah, I wish some people would get quieter pipes but then again I wish my neighbor wouldn't mow his lawn at 8am. I wish that the kid with the crappy car would put a muffler on his car instead of a fart can thinking that it was cool. If LEO/legislation would limit EVERYTHING I might consider agreeing with them. Riding an electric motorcycle just so some liberal people with their noise stuck up in the air wont get offended, NOT HAPPENING.
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Now I'm all about being respectful to my fellow neighbors and such but there are a lot of lunatics out there that would complain about the smallest noise. What are we to do about them?? Oh, lets turn all of our bikes in and get electric ones... that'll keep the noise down!!

I was camping at Flagstaff lake in a remote location and I got up early to enjoy the sunrise. As I was lighting the fire I heard some noise. WHAT??? NOISE WHILE I'M CAMPING??? UNHEARD OF!! IT SHOULD BE QUIET OUT IN THE WILDERNESS!!!! It was a chainsaw and then I heard the logging trucks. OH NO!! IT WASN'T ALL PIECE AND QUIET!!! WHAT AM I TO DO???

Now lets have an adult conversation about this. Some of us enjoy hearing our engines. It was part of the muscle car era and is a part of motorcycles for a group of us. If you're offended by it then TURN YOUR HEARING AID DOWN!! Seriously, it's part of life. Life is noise. Excess isn't a measurement. What's excessive to one person isn't excessive to another.

Yeah, I wish some people would get quieter pipes but then again I wish my neighbor wouldn't mow his lawn at 8am. I wish that the kid with the crappy car would put a muffler on his car instead of a fart can thinking that it was cool. If LEO/legislation would limit EVERYTHING I might consider agreeing with them. Riding an electric motorcycle just so some liberal people with their noise stuck up in the air wont get offended, NOT HAPPENING.
Obviously you cant make everybody happy all the time, but when your pissing everybody off, including other motorheads, you've gone too far.

I too enjoy hearing an engine, but I'm aware the other 99 out of 100 people don't want to hear mine, so I use common sense and practice some restraint. If you choose to make enough noise to cause others to complain, you should be willing to listen to their noise too.

Your exhaust, their whining, its only equitable.
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Old 09-18-2013, 11:08 AM   #40
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Don't forget the dirtbikes.

I would also like to add I wish people kept the stock pipes on their dirt bikes too. Trails are being threatened by local land owners that are pissed off 'cause of the noise. I can't pretend I'm a little-goodie-two-shoes though. I own a KTM EXC 200 and even with the stock pipe on, 2-strokes are usually loud as heck. At the very least I take it easy while passing properties or residential area's instead of burning donuts in their backyard.

Trees have a wonderful ability to dampen noise, but this damping is proportional to f^1/3, where f is the frequency of the exhaust tone.
for example: a 200Hz exhaust note diminishes by 5.85dB/100m, whereas a 1200Hz note diminishes by 10.62dB/100m. (This doesn't give you an excuse to rev your engine really high to increase the exhaust note! )

This is likely why some people have a greater issue with cruisers than sport bikes. Low notes penetrate surfaces, and are damped much less than high notes.

To put meaning to this, if you have a speaker that outputs 100dB, then you turn on another speaker right next to it, the sound level increases by 3dB to 103dB. (Simply doubling the sound energy increases the level by 3dB, so a difference in 4.77dB/100m is a BIG DEAL.)

Hope this sheds light on some of the mysteries of 'noise'

Source: Kinsler, Fundamentals of Acoustics

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Old 09-18-2013, 12:48 PM   #41
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I was stopped from entering the gated community my uncle lives in near Hilton Head. I was on a stock Versys.
The guard girl tells me that even if I had a house in there, I would not be allowed to enter while on a bike.
So, I say, "Who makes such stupid rules anyway ? You can't hear this bike as it goes down the street. If it's about noise , make it a fair rule and keep out loud cars, trucks and equipment. Your rule is discriminatory to motorcycles , that are leagal transport. "
Then I told her they should bulldoze the island back into it's natural state and let the snakes and alligators take it back over. The jungle rules are fairer than the rules you put up.
And I told her since she took money from such an awful place , I was going to put her picture on the internet for ridicule.



Go head , ridicule her !
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I was stopped from entering the gated community my uncle lives in near Hilton Head. I was on a stock Versys.
The guard girl tells me that even if I had a house in there, I would not be allowed to enter while on a bike.
So, I say, "Who makes such stupid rules anyway ? You can't hear this bike as it goes down the street. If it's about noise , make it a fair rule and keep out loud cars, trucks and equipment. Your rule is discriminatory to motorcycles , that are leagal transport. "
Then I told her they should bulldoze the island back into it's natural state and let the snakes and alligators take it back over. The jungle rules are fairer than the rules you put up.
And I told her since she took money from such an awful place , I was going to put her picture on the internet for ridicule.



Go head , ridicule her !

Actually, you are a better target for ridicule . . . . . ;-}
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Obviously you cant make everybody happy all the time, but when your pissing everybody off, including other motorheads, you've gone too far.

I too enjoy hearing an engine, but I'm aware the other 99 out of 100 people don't want to hear mine, so I use common sense and practice some restraint. If you choose to make enough noise to cause others to complain, you should be willing to listen to their noise too.

Your exhaust, their whining, its only equitable.
Is it really 99 out of 100? Wow... well, I guess I always thought that it was a lot less people or people that have too high of expectations that no one should be making ANY noise at all. Maybe it's just the changing of times and how people are thinking. True, American vision of the motorcycle is that it's a luxury item.

I guess I need to start saving up for an electric one.
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I'm betting that they did not hear this guy coming...sad

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