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Old 09-21-2013, 09:29 PM   #1
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another amateur rally racing thread

I know, i'm just another amateur who wants to get in to the rallying scene, like the thread title says and i may end up realizing that i'm completely unfit for it. I have been "actively" participating in the scene using an i5 equipped laptop navigation kit and the ultra high performance couch long stroke engine from the comfort of my home. I did give the "Raid de Himalaya" a shot back in 2007 on a Royal Enfield. The bike packed up on Day 1 !!! Since then life happened, i got married and somehow we chose not to have kids. So now i'm thinking why not put the time and money to good use ? and do some rallying.

I know i like riding off-road but i'm not an accomplished racer in any way. I just try to take my LC8 places where she should not be and end up in positions that we should not be (her on top of me !!) in. I happen to work (for a living) in AbuDhabi so there are a few rallies that happen in the vicinity, notably the North African, Mediterranean and Central Asian rallies which i "think" i will enjoy. I'm not even talking about the ADDC and Qatar sea line rallies as i "know" they're not for me right now. Not until i gather some experience with riding fast while navigating using a road book. Oh, i should have mentioned this first. I have never used a road book and i want to get in to rallying. There, i said it. In the Raid de Himalaya, we were given the same road books (spiral bound, no less!!) as the cars and i made my own notes on a piece of paper, which i stuck on the fuel tank. I was fully prepared to stop at cross roads in the middle of a SS, whip out the road book and look for directions !!!

Just to set all our expectations (mine especially) straight, my plan is to get in to some entry level (skill & competition wise) rallies with the sole target of finishing. That's it. By now you might have noticed that i haven't used the D-word at all because, that's not my target and frankly speaking i don't think i can ever come up with that kind of money, ever. I like to see where i stand in terms of capability and if i can stomach the shit an entry-medium level rally throws at me.

I've contemplated writing this thread for long and held off. Then i woke up this morning and thought you folks are probably the only ones who "get it". I will use this thread to chronicle my story and hopefully small successes if any.

I've now put my '07 990S up for sale and looking forward to use the money to buy a better suited bike for my rallying dreams. One thing for sure it will be either Orange or Blue-Yellow in colour.
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Old 09-22-2013, 02:09 AM   #2
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I'm with you, mate!
Knowing that you put your 990 for sale feels weird. Come visit the OC still.

Good luck with your project and adventure, you're going to have a blast.
I've done a few myself and don't regret it for one sec. The D-word also crossed my mind... One day maybe (doubtful)
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Old 09-22-2013, 02:52 AM   #3
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I'm with you, mate!
Knowing that you put your 990 for sale feels weird. Come visit the OC still.

Good luck with your project and adventure, you're going to have a blast.
I've done a few myself and don't regret it for one sec. The D-word also crossed my mind... One day maybe (doubtful)
Thanks mate !! every word of encouragement (and warning) helps.


So now, first thing first - Bike selection.

Option 1 : 2010 KTM530 Exc - Rally prepped, approx 9,500USD. Used in a few rallies previously so, comes with the following.
- 5ltr Meca system rear tank
- Rally fairing kit including trailtech lights, Md road book holder, twin ICOs, remote switches, mounts for Iritrack etc
- Suspension work (4.8Nm springs)
- rebuilt engine (top & bottom ends)
- Steering damper
- 13Ltr front tank
- Rally Raid sump guard with tool box
- Single sump conversion
- various pretective bits for clutch slave, hand guards etc.
- Samco hose kit

So, the bike is pretty well sorted out and will be ready to ride after i do a complete strip down, assessment and bolt it back up together. I doubt if i will need to put any more money into it other than gas and oils... Its carb'ed.


Option 2 : Brand new "Zero miles" 2012 Husaberg FE450, Bone stock, 8,700USD and it has the following.
- long and interesting rally bike build thread

I love the 'Bergs and think a 450 will be easier on me than the 530Exc and it comes un molested. I've heard good things about the 'berg FI and assume that the closed cartridge forks are better than the KTM's open ones. But they might be more involved in terms of maintenance. I've never worked on closed cartridges.

The KTM looks really attractive with it being fully built for rallies but i have a stupid part of me screaming inside blue n yellow... blue n yellow... there's some thing about that engine, the layout, the way the handlebar to seat position looks... there's something about that bike. But it will take atleast another couple grand to build it up into a rally bike.

Touch choices. ....
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No myriad hues of laser lights, no bottles that are oozing with nectars from heaven
No beautiful body soft and warm to the touch but, i have a very small desire
Give me a dark... long... winding road, three gears to go and my Hellas on fire !!
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Old 09-23-2013, 08:25 AM   #4
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OK, let me throw some pics of the bikes in subject to ease the decision making process....

The '10 KTM530Exc




The '12 Husaberg FE450


well, its just a bone stock bike you know....

decisions... decisions...
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Give me a dark... long... winding road, three gears to go and my Hellas on fire !!
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Old 09-23-2013, 08:35 AM   #5
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Buy the KTM 530!!!!
it is sorted out!!!
All the extras will KILL your pocket book !!!!
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Old 09-23-2013, 08:44 AM   #6
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Buy the KTM 530!!!!
it is sorted out!!!
All the extras will KILL your pocket book !!!!
Ahh.. the sane voice of reason... but, thank you for that.

Although its gonna be hard to peel my eyes away from that sexy blue n yellow gal...
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No myriad hues of laser lights, no bottles that are oozing with nectars from heaven
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Give me a dark... long... winding road, three gears to go and my Hellas on fire !!
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Old 09-23-2013, 09:47 AM   #7
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All the best man! Will cheer for you!

Didn't realise who it was till I saw Raid RE, 990s and MIddle East! Not many in that combination!
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:08 AM   #8
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All the best man! Will cheer for you!

Didn't realise who it was till I saw Raid RE, 990s and MIddle East! Not many in that combination!
Hey thanks for dropping by kano !!!

You know i was home in July-Aug and me n sam did a partial ghat bang ride in the rains !!! on my way back i met up with the boys at sunset bay (KRS) and rode back to bangalore. I tried to meet as many as i could but sorry we missed each other.
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'10 KTM 530Exc-Rally, some items for sale
No myriad hues of laser lights, no bottles that are oozing with nectars from heaven
No beautiful body soft and warm to the touch but, i have a very small desire
Give me a dark... long... winding road, three gears to go and my Hellas on fire !!
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Old 09-28-2013, 04:40 PM   #9
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Buy the KTM 530!!!!
it is sorted out!!!
All the extras will KILL your pocket book !!!!
Ok... Buy the Berg!!!!
You still need to make the KTM "your own" so to speak.. and it´s great fun putting your bike together the way you want it.
And you got plenty of good solid tried and tested setups to choose from, depending on your wallet.

Go small
http://www.raiddesigns.com/en/products/mrsbas.html

Go big
http://husabergrally.com/
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Old 09-29-2013, 03:43 AM   #10
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Vicks

If you LOVE to build your own bike do it, if you really don't know if you LOVE to build your own bike buy a ready made rally light bike it will save you a lot of money and give you some time to think what you really want as your final rally bike.

I have done a few Berg's a 650 who I loved and two 570 and I can't really say that I love the 570 due to the size of the frame it's to small for a big rider who I am 197cm and + 100 kg
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:09 AM   #11
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Best of luck, I love these threads

Evil, that husaberg rally website is kick-ass! I must have been living under a rock to miss that. If you've got deep pockets go the husaberg and pimp it out with one of the husaberg rally kits.

Good luck!
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:51 AM   #12
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Ok... Buy the Berg!!!!
You still need to make the KTM "your own" so to speak.. and it´s great fun putting your bike together the way you want it.
And you got plenty of good solid tried and tested setups to choose from, depending on your wallet.

Go small
http://www.raiddesigns.com/en/products/mrsbas.html

Go big
http://husabergrally.com/
You can't imagine how tempting it is for me to go and pick that '12 FE450 up and dump all my money into it !! Exercising restraint is an understatement.




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Vicks

If you LOVE to build your own bike do it, if you really don't know if you LOVE to build your own bike buy a ready made rally light bike it will save you a lot of money and give you some time to think what you really want as your final rally bike.

I have done a few Berg's a 650 who I loved and two 570 and I can't really say that I love the 570 due to the size of the frame it's to small for a big rider who I am 197cm and + 100 kg
I love to build my bike but using all new components like nav tower, road book, fuel tanks etc will cost a bomb and i'm trying to make a sensible decision, not just let the heart rule. Being 185cm the KTM530Exc fits me like a glove and the Berg FE450 is not bad either.



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Best of luck, I love these threads

Evil, that husaberg rally website is kick-ass! I must have been living under a rock to miss that. If you've got deep pockets go the husaberg and pimp it out with one of the husaberg rally kits.

Good luck!
Since i saw the Husaberg rally page on FB, i've gone through their entire build pictures and they sure do make a sexy kit for the Bergs. Unfortunately i don't have that kind of money.


i've found another rally prepped 530Exc and trying to see if it is within my measly budget. Good news is (or bad ?) i've since sold my 990Adv so i atleast have money in my hands to spend now !
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:22 AM   #13
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which rally event for a nav noob ?

While i'm bike hunting, i'd like to know which one is a suitable rally for a navigation noob like me ?

any body wanna give me some options ?
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No myriad hues of laser lights, no bottles that are oozing with nectars from heaven
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:24 PM   #14
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Hey Vicks, this is GREAT NEWS man!

Taking the plunge and telling everyone is the scariest part by far- for me anyway. The rest was then just hard work - and a lot of fun too!

You're doing it the right way. Forget about the big D for now anyway. Maybe by the time we get to do it there will be something tougher to enter that wont break the bank.

About the bike: I would say go for the rally prepped bike, even though your heart likes the berg more. Going this route means you will have enough money for another rally if you still like rally after your first one... Besides, it looks like there is a lot of bling on that bike already that you have not factored in.

Which rally to start navigating on?

Given where you are, I would say the Abu Dhabi Desert Challenge is the one to start. Its relatively cheap, well attended and professionally organised. Beside you are there - that is a MAJOR advantage. If I can scrape some money together before then, I hope to make it too. Alternatively the Qatar rally is another one close by to look at.

If you don't know Al Wilkinson who is in AD, I can get you in touch with him. He finished his first one last year, and loved it. You may even be able to pick up a road book from him and do one stage with friends if you're lucky.

If you have not already done this, read my Sertoes report and rally prep threads (in my sig line) for a lot of other tips & ideas on what to consider and how to prepare (or not!).

Keep us posted on your progress!
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:49 AM   #15
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Hey Vicks, this is GREAT NEWS man!

Taking the plunge and telling everyone is the scariest part by far- for me anyway. The rest was then just hard work - and a lot of fun too!
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Keep us posted on your progress!
Thanks for those inputs Neil, esp the "Which rally" info. I wanted to save the ADDC for 2015 by when i would have (hopefully) gained enough nav experience to be able to finish it. Navigating through sand dunes is much tougher IMO compared to the other rallies where there are firmer landmarks. Going through your thread now.

oh, and it will be great if you can put me in touch with wilkinson, is he an inmate ?
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No beautiful body soft and warm to the touch but, i have a very small desire
Give me a dark... long... winding road, three gears to go and my Hellas on fire !!

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