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Old 10-01-2013, 06:57 AM   #16
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Hmmm

I owned 3 Airhead Beemers and was always messing with something on them. The last one was a '88 R100RT and while in shop getting electrical issue sorted (circa 2002), my lady said the most beautiful words we can ever hear

Why don't you buy a new bike?

I bought a Honda VTR1000 and have never looked back. No moto is perfect, but other than usual maintenance - I've only had 1 break down since '02 (converter unit crapped out)

I'm riding it until it implodes...
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:45 AM   #17
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I don't think reliability is all that important to most HD owners, it's the image that counts most. Same goes for most BMW owners but to a lesser extent. I suspect the same is true for Jaguar, Mercedes Benz, Ferrari, and other high end car owners. That's just fine if it's what you want. Me, I'll take a reliable old Honda that's cheap to run. Even my Chinese made Lifan has been totally reliable for over 40,000 miles so far.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:25 AM   #18
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screw that jap crap, I ride genuine chinese iron.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:39 AM   #19
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Funny how people with certain bike get stigmatized. Yeah I own a gs. Before that I owned a hyabusa. Kawi zx10 and a Yamaha r1. So what? You people need to worry more about your own welbeing than my "pretentiousness" if that is even a word. It's rwdiculoys to even say that I bought a gs because I want to "buy my friends" or need to be part of the club.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:40 AM   #20
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:47 PM   #21
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The Japanese companies are still trying to understand character and inspiration. --SNIP--
Harley and BMW sell a lifestyle or statement that goes along with the bike.
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The Japanese just know how to build a quality bike. The Star (Yamaha) cruisers look nearly as good as a Harley, ride better, perform better, don't rattle your nuts off, are more reliable, and significantly less money. --SNIP--
Pretty much sums it up there. I've said similar things about Japanese vs. Italian cars. Japanese cars are dead reliable. Italian cars have soul.

Japan can't seem to mass produce something that really inspires passion.

Even with all their flaws, HD, BMW, and Ducati, among others, have passionate followings. For the most part, the big four don't.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:07 PM   #22
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My first two rebuilds were a cb350 and an r60/5. Tore down the honda motor first. Got it cleaned up and set the parts aside. Then tore down the BMW motor.

After I got a good look at the quality of the castings, the machining and the overall design of those motors, I got that CB put back together and out of my garage.

I now have two airheads and an 1150RT. And no Hondas.

And my 335i with hacked computer can trigger the traction control flooring it at 50mph. Our Toyota can't do that. So there.
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Old 10-04-2013, 06:14 AM   #23
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I have had 5 BMW twins and assorted Japanese bikes. All dead reliable for me. The BMW twins do require more frequent valve adjustments which are very easy but repairs have been non-existent. All of these twins I rode well over 80,000 miles except my current twin. My current BMW needs a fork seal but that's the extent of my failures.
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Old 10-04-2013, 06:51 AM   #24
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When I see all the problems with Honda's expensive, flagship Goldwing (i.e., frames cracking, ghost shifting and broken trannys, switch problems, final drive problems, difficulty of replacing the air filter, etc.) I am somewhat less inclined the worship at the alter of Japanese reliability, especially when the BMW's and two Harleys we've had in the family have been or were virtually problem-free. That said, Honda has produced some fun rides that the kids have stored away for posterity (and to ride), such as the Dream, CBX and Rune. In days gone by, we certainly enjoyed the likes of the CB fours over everything else. Today, we're not quite so enthralled with Japan's stuff, although I do have an occasional pang for the FJR. YMMV.
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:52 AM   #25
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:07 AM   #26
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Why is it that I see far more serious high mileage Harleys and BMWs? I've seen a few high mileage jap bikes but many more of the two mentioned. The very definition of conundrum. Could it be that the Japoanese bikes are still viewed as disposable?

Hell I've got an Italian bike with 100K+ on it so WTF do I know?






One of my Harleys has 3 times that on it.
I'd like to see the specifics of the report, such as average age, average mileage, criteria that they used to constitute a "major" repair, etc.

And I agree with you. Around these parts Harleys get the nuts ridden off of them. Most Asian bikes I see haven't accumulated many miles.
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Old 10-04-2013, 01:19 PM   #27
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I'd like to see the specifics of the report, such as average age, average mileage, criteria that they used to constitute a "major" repair, etc.

And I agree with you. Around these parts Harleys get the nuts ridden off of them. Most Asian bikes I see haven't accumulated many miles.
All Harleys get the nuts ridden off of them, as well as bolts and other bits and pieces. It's unavoidable

(sorry, you really left yourself open for that one. I couldn't pass it up)
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Old 10-04-2013, 01:25 PM   #28
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I'd like to see the specifics of the report, such as average age, average mileage, criteria that they used to constitute a "major" repair, etc.

And I agree with you. Around these parts Harleys get the nuts ridden off of them. Most Asian bikes I see haven't accumulated many miles.
Interstates.

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Old 10-04-2013, 01:26 PM   #29
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CR is only as reliable as the cost of subscribing

They never asked me about my 200,000 mile BMW experience. It's been good, all good
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Old 10-04-2013, 02:21 PM   #30
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CR is only as reliable as the cost of subscribing

They never asked me about my 200,000 mile BMW experience. It's been good, all good
As I recall, the CR report was based on telephone surveys (a.k.a. polling) and we know how incredibly accurate those are (NOT!). The very nature of the questions (e.g., those that trigger an emotional, rather than rational, response) can skew the results just about any way you want.
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