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Old 10-08-2013, 10:19 PM   #76
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Yeah I mean there are lots of reasons NOT to want to live in SoCal, people taxes etc. But if the goal is riding motorcycles!? It's nirvana. I'm a fanboy I guess
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Old 10-08-2013, 10:52 PM   #77
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Old 10-08-2013, 10:56 PM   #78
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if you know the area we have lots of good roads and routes to ride. getting through traffic for our legal lane splitting is truly surreal at times. at least after driving over half my life. traffic really isn't there. i never think about it
Very well said! I never really knew what traffic was til I moved out of LA up to WA. It takes every fiber in my being and every ounce of self control to slow down and stop on a two lane road or especially on the freeway. It's just so 'wrong'
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Old 10-08-2013, 11:52 PM   #79
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I guess I'm biased for picking SoCal, considering I live here. Lanesplitting, year-round riding, no rust, and great roads to the mountains, beach, desert, whatever you want
Yeah the taxes and politics here are terrible, but that wasn't the original question . The good rides definitely come at a premium cost
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:22 AM   #80
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The I-5 Corridor of Oregon and Washington (a.k.a. The Wet Side) have worked out well for me since 1989.
Never gets too hot. Sure it rains some the roads are generally clear of snow and ice about 360 days a year.

The great roads are alomost endless. (Dirt and Paved)
Gotta agree here, I did the coast from San Diego to Seattle 4 years ago, and there really seemed to be a lot of great roads, when you went inland from the Pacific Coast Highway (which, in itself, was great but that was sort of expected, the abundance of smaller curvy roads in that area was more of a surprise for me).
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Old 10-09-2013, 07:11 AM   #81
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Just looking for the best area in the country to ride a bike year round?

I'm thinking SoCal?? Nice weather year round, good terrain and a good starting point to ride in places like Mexico, the Rockies, and even Alaska. Traffic, not so sure tho?

What's great about your state/region?

Maine has some of the best riding in the country, for about 8 months. It's not the snow or even the cold that ruins the other 4 months, but the road salt. I'm always jealous in January of the guys down in Texas, still riding. Then I think about July in Texas and I don't feel so bad

Where is the perfect balance of weather, accessibility and awesome terrain to own an ADV bike?
I start having the same thoughts this time every year

I daydream about Arizona, but I'm not sure I could handle the heat and congestion of Phoenix. It doesn't seem like there's much in the way of jobs in any of the more hospitable AZ cities like Prescott or Flagstaff.

I lived in the Los Angeles area for a while, and while the weather is great, I hated the traffic and congestion.

I think for me the key is taking a motorcycle-related vacation to somewhere sunny and warm in February. I'm working on being able to make that happen every year
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Old 10-09-2013, 07:33 AM   #82
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i've lived on the east coast (DE), in the mid west (IL), northern nv, and now san diego. i love the riding and the weather in socal, i just wish the politics and population density were more like NV.

IMO the roads in appalachia are fantastic riding however they'e somewhat fenced in by trees. the roads here in socal are more about the experience - good roads paired with stunning scenery.
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Old 10-09-2013, 07:58 AM   #83
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what's this big deal about "lane splitting" to me all it means is obnoxious traffic

I prefer Vermont where passing on double yellow is legal, more advantageous for riding in twisties than lane splitting imho
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:52 AM   #84
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The big deal about lane splitting is that those of us who commute to work and/or ride every day can get to our destinations faster and safer.

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Old 10-09-2013, 10:02 AM   #85
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Yeah. Plus you don't get rear ended while waiting at a light or stop sign because you already filtered to the front.

I pass on double yellow frequently, traffic enforcement is lax in San Diego. Police are underfunded and have more pressing things to do. On the more popular motorcycling roads, cars will pull over for you.
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:24 AM   #86
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The big deal about lane splitting is that those of us who commute to work and/or ride every day can get to our destinations faster and safer.

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which tells me its a shitty place to live if ya have that much traffic
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:41 AM   #87
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which tells me its a shitty place to live if ya have that much traffic
There is no traffic for bikes. Zero. None.

And the thing about lane splitting that most people don't 'get' is that it is not just a freeway thing. *Every* red light you ride to the front and have open road, all the time.

SoCal in general also has wider roads than most places, and drivers generally pull over for you. On the freeways they drive in the left side of the left lane and pull right in the next. At stop lights same thing, there is usually a 6' bike lane right up to the front of the intersection.

AND because bikes can and do appear out of nowhere, in larger cities in CA drivers actually do *LOOK* for motorcycles before changing lanes. There's still idiots, but on the whole a driver will actually *look* in the mirror and look back a ways before doing a crazy ivan turn right in front of you. Bikes get a *lot* more respect in SoCal.

It's very noticeable when you leave; particularly here in Wa you're lucky if they glance and once they decided there's not a semi there they will go three lanes over. Which brings up another point, if there IS a semi there they won't move into it, which makes that a pretty safe place for a bike to be.

California enforcement is also RADICALLY different than anywhere else, particularly SoCal. CHP in SoCal is so crazy outnumbered, they are looking for idiots. They are trying to keep traffic flowing smoothly, stopping reckless drivers, drunks, road rage, criminals... They are not just trying to generate revenue. When traffic is flowing I've been driving along with everyone else at 90+ and been PASSED by a cop. They can and will actually issue a ticket for going too slow.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:00 AM   #88
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which tells me its a shitty place to live if ya have that much traffic
Yep. +1
But the CA boys don't seem to understand.
No traffic = no lane splitting.
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There is no traffic for bikes. Zero. None.

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pretend you have no traffic if you like, your sharing that lane with someone, be it another bike or a cage.

I'd rather live where there is no reason to lane split and if ya happen to catch up with the occasional vehicle, you can go left from center (across double yellow) without fear of ticket

I'm sure there are places in rural California that are decent to live, however as a whole, considering cost of living, etc.,it is not a good
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Tennessee might rank high for some, plenty of good riding and low cost of living.

or my state, New Hampshire, ranking #1 in quality of life and while not the best or most good riding, good enuf to be a destination for riders

or Vermont #3 on quality of life, plenty of good riding, and passing on double yellow, would be my pick as #1. You say but they have winter and snow & ice everywhere, well that's your choice, I rather enjoy riding in adverse conditions as a relaxing activity.
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pretend you have no traffic if you like, your sharing that lane with someone, be it another bike or a cage.

I'd rather live where there is no reason to lane split and if ya happen to catch up with the occasional vehicle, you can go left from center (across double yellow) without fear of ticket
#1 I call BS on the whole idea that you have no need to split. I've been in the boondocks and gotten stuck in traffic. I had a 45 minute stop on the freeway in the middle of no-where in Oregon because a truck overturned and they closed the freeway to two lanes. They would have been 5 minutes in Ca.






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I'm sure there are places in rural California that are decent to live, however as a whole, considering cost of living, etc.,it is not a good
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The simple fact is that MOST people prefer to live in a city, on the coast. It's great that you want to be by yourself, but I like concerts and shows, having things to do and actually meeting people sometimes too. Different strokes. I can go to the country any time I like, but I kinda like LIVING a block from the grocery store.

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Tennessee might rank high for some, plenty of good riding and low cost of living.
Also the highest violent crime in the nation. crap employment and you have to be surrounded by rednecks, evangelicals and racists all day long. And since we are talking about motorcycle riding, OK, Tennessee has some of the worst traffic I've ever seen. Nashville is the crossroads of every point in the nation, and being surrounded by THOUSANDS of semi's in stop and go traffic (that you can't avoid) sure ain't my idea of fun motorcycling either, AND god help you if you want a mountain to look at or ride on.

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or my state, New Hampshire, ranking #1 in quality of life and while not the best or most good riding, good enuf to be a destination for riders

or Vermont #3 on quality of life, plenty of good riding, and passing on double yellow, would be my pick as #1. You say but they have winter and snow & ice everywhere, well that's your choice, I rather enjoy riding in adverse conditions as a relaxing activity.
Winters are not 'everywhere' take Socal for example. WA has some Fantastic roads, it's got more bikes per capita than Florida, but no daylight in the winter and riding in the dark, in the rain is not as much fun as it is in California. And hey, California has snow too, if you want to be in it. The point is that CA you can pick and choose exactly what you want.

Quality of life is such a subjective thing anyway it's kinda pointless. The Billionaires in Newport beach have a great quality of life and vast opportunity, the maids that clean their houses can't afford to live there. There are pockets like that everywhere.

'Good roads' does not a great year round riding environment make. *everywhere* has some good roads. Some are better than others sure, but seriously I'd much rather have a car pull over and let me pass than passing on a double line in a curve. And I'd put Highway 1 up against anything anywhere for a good motorcycle road. and it's one of many, deserts, sand dunes, mexico/Vegas resorts, mountains, skiing, you name it it's within easy reach of Socal. And good Roads, And Year round riding, And cars that respect bikes And lane Splitting and less traffic BS. It's not a fair fight if where to ride is the criteria.
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