ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Riding > The perfect line and other riding myths
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 10-09-2013, 12:10 PM   #91
VEGASGSA
Need more Summer
 
VEGASGSA's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Location: The Northwet..
Oddometer: 6,874
I have lived in;

Kansas..no need to ever go back..(it's home) Tornados are cool in away..I was on the East side..saw plenty

Florida..Why own a motorcycle, get a boat, humid sweat, hot, sweat, humid, hot..wife's from there, go back all the time..own a house in Clearwater..inlaws live on a lake..three days..all I can take..

Colorado..more than 20 years..bought my first GS there..great mountains..good roads..all the trees are dying from beetle kill..three seasons..Fire, mud, cold..but it is my adopted home..and I love going back to visit friends..the place I thought I would always eventually return too..

Las Vegas..Hated it when we first got there..it grew on me in ways..lotsa great off road riding close by..long straight roads..horrible people in your day to day interactions..pretty warm in June, July, August..most of September..when I was there.I used to run down and cover the Fenix office a lot..people in Vegas complain about the heat in Fenix..doG bless..the humidity is a bit higher there, I guess all the open canals..and it is HORRIBLE...funny that someone mentioned no income tax..big deal..it costs $800 a year to put plates on your car..and your insurance is double the rest the country..thousands of miles to ride in though..and some neat stuff close by..

Spent a bit of time in So Cal..like someone said..it's a desert unless you're in town..expensive..sweet jesus..I built some fire training towers north of LA..per diem couldn't keep up.. No real opinion of it though..didn't live there..the company I worked for in Vegas had an office there, spent a bit of time there..bout it..

Now in Washington..yeah..it's gray..rainy alot..but summers are EPIC..twisties are EPIC..off roading sux after being in Vegas..but it's there..you just gotta drive for it..tons to see and do..every view is a post card..

Had family in Texas and my Vegas employer was based in Dallas..spent lots of time there..meh..bad weather..no public land..no off road riding..no BBQ..yeah..I know you think you do..but you don't..

So..that being said..The PNWest has won the wife and I's hearts..we are getting ready to by 20 acres and start building a house..and embark on another little project that I soon plan to announce here in ADV Rider..

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimVonBaden View Post
You are not half as ugly as I thought you would be!
VEGASGSA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2013, 12:24 PM   #92
ZiaThunder
Go big or go home
 
ZiaThunder's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Location: NM
Oddometer: 526
New Mexico....

Not as hot as AZ in the summer, not as cold as CO in the winter, great riding year round. I've gone snow boarding in the am, for a ride on street bike in the afternoon and the next day I did a 6 hour dirt bike ride, followed by a day at the race track... I mean really where else could ya pull that off? There have only been a few days when I couldn't ride to work.

It's only 6 hours to the best riding in AZ, CO, UT or TX. CA is less then a day away.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonk View Post
Just looking for the best area in the country to ride a bike year round?

Where is the perfect balance of weather, accessibility and awesome terrain to own an ADV bike?
ZiaThunder is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2013, 12:38 PM   #93
xymotic
Beastly Adventurer
 
xymotic's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Location: Federal Way, WA
Oddometer: 8,366
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZiaThunder View Post
I mean really where else could ya pull that off?
You already know my answer, right?

Mammoth/elsinore and if you want you could sail to Catalina for the weekend.

Cept you'd have your choice of five racetracks.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Sean
Oh for ***k's sake Aaron. Please link us to my fascist, racist or homophobic posts.
"Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either."
Albert Einstein


Baja trip to the tip
6:10 to Yuma
trials and tribulations in the Mojave
Baja Blitz Yard sale
View Current Location via Spot Tracker
xymotic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2013, 03:46 PM   #94
p0diabl0
Studly Adventurer
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Location: San Diego
Oddometer: 543
Quote:
Originally Posted by xymotic View Post
You already know my answer, right?

Mammoth/elsinore and if you want you could sail to Catalina for the weekend.

Cept you'd have your choice of five racetracks.
There's Big Bear too, closer access to the beaches. Or Tahoe if you're farther up. NM has zip zero zilch on CA except some pretty holes in the ground.
I'll concede a lot of beauty to Oregon/Washington, our west coast bros, but they just get too much rain.
__________________
Ninja 650R Tourer/Commuter, TW200 Playbike
p0diabl0 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2013, 04:08 PM   #95
xymotic
Beastly Adventurer
 
xymotic's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Location: Federal Way, WA
Oddometer: 8,366
Quote:
Originally Posted by p0diabl0 View Post
There's Big Bear too, closer access to the beaches. Or Tahoe if you're farther up. NM has zip zero zilch on CA except some pretty holes in the ground.
I'll concede a lot of beauty to Oregon/Washington, our west coast bros, but they just get too much rain.
Yep, The rides are numerous and Epic in Wa, but it does get old having 90 days straight of rain.

OR just has stupid low speed limits in the whole damned state and cops lookin for a reason to give you a ticket for 5 over.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Sean
Oh for ***k's sake Aaron. Please link us to my fascist, racist or homophobic posts.
"Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either."
Albert Einstein


Baja trip to the tip
6:10 to Yuma
trials and tribulations in the Mojave
Baja Blitz Yard sale
View Current Location via Spot Tracker
xymotic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2013, 04:27 PM   #96
khager
Studly Adventurer
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Location: Granbury, TX
Oddometer: 812
Quote:
Originally Posted by VEGASGSA View Post
I have lived in;



Florida..Why own a motorcycle, get a boat, humid sweat, hot, sweat, humid, hot..wife's from there, go back all the time..own a house in Clearwater..inlaws live on a lake..three days..all I can take..



I have inlaws from Tampa area and go there every year or two for a week.

If there is a Motorcycle hell, Florida is it! Flat roads, biggest hills are freeway overpasses, only curves are cloverleafs, hot, humid, lots of traffic, and the cagers are blind and senile, and hate them darned motorsickles.
khager is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2013, 05:20 PM   #97
Zeid
Adventurer
 
Zeid's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
Oddometer: 386
Damn, Xymotic. Are you just here to tell everyone how much their state sucks and how great California is?

I bet you were one of those expats who spent a year there and had to move and just can't get over how awesome it was. Between the places I lived in California I spent almost twenty total years there living in the San Diego and Los Angeles metro areas, and I always had a bike. How many years have you spent there? Even if it is longer, I cannot stand this perception so many carry that it is the end all be all in great places to live. A lot of New Yorkers and Texans use to be that way but anymore they tend to be more humble. I also think it's sad how you came into this thread to pick apart the places some people live, but at this point I don't want you to stop, I want to see your reaction for each state and city- it's becoming quite the act.

Lane splitting is nice but saying there's no traffic is ridiculous... Unless you're one of those idiots who flies through the lanes going 60 when traffic is at a stand still, you have to still deal with traffic. Again, I LOVED lane splitting and wish it was legal everywhere, but to do it safely you have to do it selectively. Also, if you have a bike like my R1200GS Adventure with the big panniers on it like mine has, you will be lane splitting a hell of a lot less than a sport bike, unless you decide to take off your panniers and what self respecting ADV rider would do that?

Also, you are the biggest fanboy of any one place I've ever seen, ever. Even by California fanboy standards.

To the OP, you know what I suggest? Take a ride, visit all these places. Different strokes for different folks. You're suppose to be an ADV rider so go out there and ride to a bunch of places then figure out where you want to settle down. Pretty much anything in the Southern United States has year round riding.
__________________
2013 BMW R1200 GSA Adventure Triple Black.
Zeid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2013, 05:34 PM   #98
xymotic
Beastly Adventurer
 
xymotic's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Location: Federal Way, WA
Oddometer: 8,366
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeid View Post
Damn, Xymotic. Are you just here to tell everyone how much their state sucks and how great California is?
Hey, when you find your bliss go for it I say!

Quote:
Pretty much anything in the Southern United States has year round riding.
Just not as good as SoCal's, and no lane splitting.

I only spent a decade there, grew up in Reno. Which sucks cuz of snow.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Sean
Oh for ***k's sake Aaron. Please link us to my fascist, racist or homophobic posts.
"Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either."
Albert Einstein


Baja trip to the tip
6:10 to Yuma
trials and tribulations in the Mojave
Baja Blitz Yard sale
View Current Location via Spot Tracker
xymotic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2013, 05:37 PM   #99
xymotic
Beastly Adventurer
 
xymotic's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Location: Federal Way, WA
Oddometer: 8,366
Quote:
Originally Posted by khager View Post
I have inlaws from Tampa area and go there every year or two for a week.

If there is a Motorcycle hell, Florida is it! Flat roads, biggest hills are freeway overpasses, only curves are cloverleafs, hot, humid, lots of traffic, and the cagers are blind and senile, and hate them darned motorsickles.
See, Florida "seems" like it would be nice, but I figured it had too many bugs. But Cagers actually hating motos is a pretty big deal. Damn I miss LA.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Sean
Oh for ***k's sake Aaron. Please link us to my fascist, racist or homophobic posts.
"Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either."
Albert Einstein


Baja trip to the tip
6:10 to Yuma
trials and tribulations in the Mojave
Baja Blitz Yard sale
View Current Location via Spot Tracker
xymotic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2013, 05:50 PM   #100
stoke
ocean minded
 
stoke's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Location: San Diego, OB & LJ
Oddometer: 562
I love this thread so much. So much in fact that I am typing this from in-flight WiFi

Been to over thirty countries, lived in four different ones and been to most states in the US. Lived in Norcal, Socal, Australia, Mexico, Costa Rica, Montana, & Minnesota.

Give Xymotic a break. Guy is making some great points, and they are well reasoned and thought out vs just being "fanboy".

And answer me this: I just did a Lee Parks Total Control cornering class. It was held at Camp Pendleton. The instructor informed us that in all fifty US states, the most motorcycles owned were:

1) California
2) Camp Pendleton
3) Arizona

Think about that for a second. A military base has more motorcycles than any other state in the Union except CA, which it's located in. What this means in actual practice, like people have said already, is that cages are more "motorcycle friendly" here and tend to notice you more just based on the total number of motorcycles out and about. Strength in numbers. No one gives me shit when I filter to the front of the line at stop lights, or lanesplit on city streets. Many move over.

I love America, and I love all of her States. No need to talk shit on any of them. But I chose to live in Socal despite all the crap you have to put up with here because you can do anything here as far as a motorcycle goes. And do it year round and have a lot of other folks to do it with.
stoke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2013, 06:03 PM   #101
Zeid
Adventurer
 
Zeid's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
Oddometer: 386
"Just not as good as SoCal"

Says who? People from SoCal? People who live in SoCal? What makes the "Best Riding Road?" that is so completely bias and opinion based. One thing I didn't like is for me, unless you lived on the outskirts of the cities it was a lot further away than the twisties are here and they were generally not as well paved and cared for, not that they were bad. Honestly? The ride I miss the most in California is cruising up and down the PCH on a late afternoon. But now I go out through the beautiful desert and down trails filled with huge cactus and it's only 10 minutes from my house to get to that. Some one else even stated it and I agree, you can get into such desolation so quickly in the desert cities which is so incredibly nice, to get out in nature and away from the hustle. But again, it's totally dependent on what the person enjoys. We should be telling OP -ABOUT- the places and what makes them nice or what we enjoy about them, not arguing about which one is more awesome.

Also, no offense to anyone in uniform but trusting what the bike instructors say at Camp Pendleton is the biggest load of #%@$ I've ever heard. They work with the local dealers so the dealers can sell more bikes and their statistics are based completely off of what they say. Do you REALLY think Camp Pendleton (a marine base in California) has more motorcycles than the entire state of Texas? Arizona? Florida? Seriously man, get real.

Also, I had people cut me off all the time and even open doors on me when I was lane splitting (on purpose, in the street not the on the street parking but on the freeway).

Also, the only thing I was getting onto Xymotic about was exactly what you're telling me to do to him, giving people a break and not insulting why they like some where because they do. I've met people who absolutely LOVE and absolutely HATE just about everywhere.
__________________
2013 BMW R1200 GSA Adventure Triple Black.
Zeid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2013, 06:20 PM   #102
khager
Studly Adventurer
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Location: Granbury, TX
Oddometer: 812
As far as the lane-splitting vs. passing on DY. I would choose lane-splitting.
I am sure every state has at least one city where lane-splitting would come in handy. I guess it depends on where you live. If I lived where there were a lot of twisties and not much overall traffic, well yes then pass on a DY law would be more handy, but I bet lane-splitting would benefit more people overall.

Like others have said here, California drivers are more tolerant, not just of lane-splitting but M/C's in general and more aware. That's been my experience anyway. The traffic in LA is worse than any place I have been if you are in a Car. I am not sure why anybody would want to commute in LA in a car, you think they would have 90% of the population on bikes. Yes they have more than other states, but still far more cars than bikes. I just don't get it.
khager is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2013, 06:30 PM   #103
xymotic
Beastly Adventurer
 
xymotic's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Location: Federal Way, WA
Oddometer: 8,366
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeid View Post
"Just not as good as SoCal"

Says who? People from SoCal? People who live in SoCal? What makes the "Best Riding Road?" that is so completely bias and opinion based. One thing I didn't like is for me, unless you lived on the outskirts of the cities it was a lot further away than the twisties are here and they were generally not as well paved and cared for, not that they were bad. Honestly? The ride I miss the most in California is cruising up and down the PCH on a late afternoon. But now I go out through the beautiful desert and down trails filled with huge cactus and it's only 10 minutes from my house to get to that. Some one else even stated it and I agree, you can get into such desolation so quickly in the desert cities which is so incredibly nice, to get out in nature and away from the hustle. But again, it's totally dependent on what the person enjoys. We should be telling OP -ABOUT- the places and what makes them nice or what we enjoy about them, not arguing about which one is more awesome.

Also, no offense to anyone in uniform but trusting what the bike instructors say at Camp Pendleton is the biggest load of #%@$ I've ever heard. They work with the local dealers so the dealers can sell more bikes and their statistics are based completely off of what they say. Do you REALLY think Camp Pendleton (a marine base in California) has more motorcycles than the entire state of Texas? Arizona? Florida? Seriously man, get real.

Also, I had people cut me off all the time and even open doors on me when I was lane splitting (on purpose, in the street not the on the street parking but on the freeway).

Also, the only thing I was getting onto Xymotic about was exactly what you're telling me to do to him, giving people a break and not insulting why they like some where because they do. I've met people who absolutely LOVE and absolutely HATE just about everywhere.
Yeah, but your 'plus' is offset with 3 months of 100+ degree days, and a serious amount of 115-120 degree days. I think MOST people would say "ick" especially if you wear gear, and if you are a squid, sorry but the beach and lane splitting wins out again.

I didn't mean anything as an insult, but Phoenix was the most horrible atmosphere I've ever breathed in my life. #2 was Washington DC when I was a kid and walked out of the smithsonian I felt like I was beat up with body odor. and couldn't breathe. So jeeze when I say it's a nasty pit, I don't mean it to be insulting, (it's just a fact!)

Don't tell me that I'm wrong about my own personal experiences.

I like AZ fine, but I like Yuma and The Colorado River Valley a heck of a lot better than PHX. I like Utah, I like Nevada but they all have some major drawbacks regarding motorcycle riding that Socal just doesn't have.

I don't buy the pendleton thing either. I think Wa is #2 in motorcycle ownership per capita even ahead of FL & TX. It is amazing how many there are in the summer and how very very few I see out on the road with me in the winter WA is also the only place I've had a driver actually aim for me and charge.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Sean
Oh for ***k's sake Aaron. Please link us to my fascist, racist or homophobic posts.
"Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either."
Albert Einstein


Baja trip to the tip
6:10 to Yuma
trials and tribulations in the Mojave
Baja Blitz Yard sale
View Current Location via Spot Tracker
xymotic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2013, 06:38 PM   #104
xymotic
Beastly Adventurer
 
xymotic's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Location: Federal Way, WA
Oddometer: 8,366
Quote:
Originally Posted by khager View Post
As far as the lane-splitting vs. passing on DY. I would choose lane-splitting.
I am sure every state has at least one city where lane-splitting would come in handy. I guess it depends on where you live. If I lived where there were a lot of twisties and not much overall traffic, well yes then pass on a DY law would be more handy, but I bet lane-splitting would benefit more people overall.

Like others have said here, California drivers are more tolerant, not just of lane-splitting but M/C's in general and more aware. That's been my experience anyway. The traffic in LA is worse than any place I have been if you are in a Car. I am not sure why anybody would want to commute in LA in a car, you think they would have 90% of the population on bikes. Yes they have more than other states, but still far more cars than bikes. I just don't get it.
With you 110%
It's why I finally got a bike and started riding.
And for the record Lots of full dress harleys and GS's splitting in Socal. Pretty much everything from LAX to Mexico is so wide it's really no issue to split even at high speed.

I will also say though that the traffic in LA is fairly predictable. Downtown Seattle, Portland other places have freeway traffic All day, every day. AND Socal also gets a win because you can actually get places using surface streets and most of the arterials actually have well timed lights and 50mph speed limits.

Orange County CA is the only place I've ever been in my life with a regular street with traffic signals and a 65 MPH speed limit.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Sean
Oh for ***k's sake Aaron. Please link us to my fascist, racist or homophobic posts.
"Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either."
Albert Einstein


Baja trip to the tip
6:10 to Yuma
trials and tribulations in the Mojave
Baja Blitz Yard sale
View Current Location via Spot Tracker
xymotic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2013, 06:45 PM   #105
VEGASGSA
Need more Summer
 
VEGASGSA's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Location: The Northwet..
Oddometer: 6,874
Quote:
Originally Posted by xymotic View Post
With you 110%
It's why I finally got a bike and started riding.
And for the record Lots of full dress harleys and GS's splitting in Socal. Pretty much everything from LAX to Mexico is so wide it's really no issue to split even at high speed.

I will also say though that the traffic in LA is fairly predictable. Downtown Seattle, Portland other places have freeway traffic All day, every day. AND Socal also gets a win because you can actually get places using surface streets and most of the arterials actually have well timed lights and 50mph speed limits.

Orange County CA is the only place I've ever been in my life with a regular street with traffic signals and a 65 MPH speed limit.
Portland and Seattle traffic moves at one third the speed of smell...always..I have overheated my bike more in Portland, than I ever did in Vegas..in the heat..and sand..
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimVonBaden View Post
You are not half as ugly as I thought you would be!
VEGASGSA is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 09:26 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014