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Old 10-12-2013, 02:58 PM   #91
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Oh, and there are simple explanations for pretty much all of it. Your PERCEPTION of the events and what really happened is different. I dont think youre a liar at all, but people often times tell these stories about being stalked and whatnot and forget the simple truths the LE has to use those same roads too. Sometimes they are simply going in the same direction as you. Other times, maybe they are followig you for longer distances to observe your driving or because they are running your plate and LEIN is running slow or whatever. Point is there is much more going on in the officers mind than writing you a ticket and especially lieing about such a trivial thing that could result in the loss of their career and reputation, which is about the most important thing cops have and therefore they dont take it lightly.

At the end of the day, if you have nothing to hide but your "professional speeder" certification then you have nothing to worry about. Let the police do their jobs and dont be sarcastic to them. Everyone wants to remind cops how they are wasting their time when they could be out catching "real" criminals yet they forget that catching those "real" criminals requires hunting them down first. A traffic stop, no matter how menial, is a good tool even though it does sometimes inconvenience people. Then again, you dont really have a valid argument about that when you knowingly are breaking the law while speeding in the first place. If you want to push your luck, then suck it up and quit acting like a victim when you get caught.
Speed traps are a big business in MI. Some municipalities have passed a catch-all ordinance that's usually called "Impeding". Those caught speeding are allowed to plead to impeding instead to avoid having points on their record. Of course, the fine is much higher. The city makes out because it's technically not a violation of state law, so the city keeps all of the money. Taylor does it, as do Romulus and Dearborn Heights. The latter was also paying its officers for citations issued. An officer who wrote 7 citations in a day would receive 4 hours of overtime pay at time-and-a half.

I'm convinced that any officer can keep himself busy taking care of matters other than speeding. There is so much incompetence among drivers that it's quite easy to spot it, especially in urban areas. I'm sure I could run seedy looking cars driven carefully and under the speed limit by mopes and come up with things like suspended licenses, no insurance, and arrest warrants. But then, there's no money involved in that, just a lot of paperwork, right?

If you follow the threads on this forum, you see what motorcyclists complain about the most, and that's drivers doing truly dangerous things. It's because it's more dangerous to us than to other car drivers. I see this crap every day, and then I see the people who could be doing something about it sitting on the freeway on-ramp running a catch-and-release speed trap program with one cop on the overpass with a laser gun calling out who to pull over. Most recent one was 5 state motor officers taking turns and then returning for the next one.

My city's one of the few that does REAL policing. They don't hide behind billboards with a laser gun. And lest you think this is all sour grapes, I haven't been cited in many years.
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Old 10-12-2013, 06:24 PM   #92
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There is always law enforcement experts who arent actually involved in laww enforcement. Frankly, unless you do the job, you have no idea what is going on.

In response to being compensated for tickets, thats not true. Its illegal in Michigan and I believe everywhere.

In response to impeding, it is a state law. Most municipalities adopt the state codes under their ordinances as well. Yes, this allows a small amount of money to come back to the department. With budgets constantly being slashed by the experts not in LE that have no clue what happens, the state began allowing this years ago to help offset costs but in the end its a very small amount and doesn't exactly make anyone rich. For instance, I know of a Sheriff Dept that puts a car out on I75 for traffic. The car needs to write a minimum of two tickets an hour to break even. On busy weekends, thats easy enough to do but on normal days its a challenge and doesnt meet the break even point most days. The benefit though is there is now an extra car to help out when things go south which can happen at any moment. That particular car also catches lots of other stuff like stolen cars and drugs and such. Sure there are also the no insurance and what not. Either way, its not padding the pockets of cops or the department.
As for the cost issue, the impeding is usually around 180ish. 5 over speed is like 140ish. Not exactly a "much higher cost" and far cheaper when insurance comes into the eqaution. Either way, if written under the ordinance money comes back to thw department. The idea of the impeding is to have less of an impact on decent people. That plea isnt offered to everyone. The assholes, or those with bad records that clearly dont get it, dint get the plea offer and actually csn have the ticket raised to full boat speed that they were going instead of the lowered 5 over or whatevr they got.

Again, people bitch about cops and how they are being so unreasonable yet cops arent out there stopping people for goimg 1 mph over. They are enforcing gross disregard. If you choose to violate then deal with the potential consequences. Its that simple. Its your fault. Not the cops.

As for all the other crap you mention about what cops arent enforcing, it comes down to what is acceptable. Unfortunately many of the things that are dangerous to us riders are so commonplace on the roadways and so ignored by cagers that if and when a cop tries to write a ticket for it judges wont enforce them. All of our laws, not just traffic related, is what is considered socially acceptable. The cops on the roads are well aware of lots of the crap because they are on the roads all the time but if the bosses wont back it up then there isnt much they can do. Furthermore, when people know a cop car is around they dont do the dumb shit near as much as they do otherwise also making catching them harder.
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Most speed enforcement is bullsh*t.

I just sent my ancient V-1 in for updating. Looking forward to having Mike Valentine's best helping me avoid revenue enhancement.
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Old 10-13-2013, 12:57 PM   #94
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Nope. True as hell. Was in all the papers and on TV. They hid it as "overtime". Would have been stupid to do it overtly.

Another one of their choirboys driving the department's hot rod unmarked Camaro blew a red light, no siren, no lights, and ran down a friend of mine in a 25 mph zone. Totaled the bike and put him in the hospital.
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Old 10-13-2013, 08:45 PM   #95
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Nope. True as hell. Was in all the papers and on TV. They hid it as "overtime". Would have been stupid to do it overtly.

Another one of their choirboys driving the department's hot rod unmarked Camaro blew a red light, no siren, no lights, and ran down a friend of mine in a 25 mph zone. Totaled the bike and put him in the hospital.
I did some googling. Most recent I found was in 2007. It looks like it was in fact overtime. Apparently they run their traffic enforcement, or did at that time as I don't know if it works this way or not, with OT. Those officers working OT, 4 hour shifts, are solely responsible for traffic and nothing else. If they only wrote 1 ticket, they worked 4 hours. However, the department policy was to allow those officers to go home early, before 4 hours but still paid for the full 4 hours, if they wrote 9 tickets. In other words, they were more or less breaking even on the deal like what I had talked about earlier. The idea was to have more officers available at any given time for the potential of what could happen but without the budget available they had to fund it another way. Also, I have made a phone call to a friend who happens to be a Dearborn PD officer but I haven't made contact yet, but speaking with some Deputies from Oakland County they confirmed the above. On the surface, it does look like a bad thing but it's not exactly as sinister as it sounds. The department could just offer the OT to the officers without the incentive to go home early to avoid the PR scandal, but this was likely an attempt to get officers to actually sign up for the OT. In the past 6 or 7 years, the economy has been hit hard, especially so in SE Michigan. This has crippled LE and resulted in departments getting creative with keeping enough officers on the street. However, most officers don't exactly want to work extra hours beyond their normal schedule due to the already high stress and work load. 1.5 times the pay to go write tickets for 4 hours almost isn't even worth the hassle, especially when it results in going to court which is a major hassle for every officer not assigned to dayshift. Giving the officers the ability to potentially go home early if enough tickets were wrote is a bigger incentive to sign up for those shifts. With all that said, finding 9 tickets isn't as easy as you'd think unless chicken shit tickets were wrote, but then the prosecutors office would be kicking them and then the chief wouldn't be getting his money and that would all be stopped quickly. Again, its not exactly a good PR move, but it certainly could serve a purpose.

As for your friend, thats a truly horrible thing. Police officer or not though, we are all human and the officer fucked up. There is no excuses to be made for the officer other than he messed up.
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