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Old 10-13-2013, 10:26 AM   #16
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Thank you very much! I do have a question from your demonstration ride:
  • How is the low speed fueling. The low speed fueling on my 2010 Multistrada 1200S is kind of crap, so the idea of a smooth V-Twin down low would be very nice
  • Did you feel the weight of the exhaust can much on the right side? I plan on getting a Wings... but I'm still curious
  • I have read good things about the gearbox, but that was from journalists, and I am reticent to believe everything they write (due to not wanted to upset bike mfgrs.), how did banging through the gears feel to you? Was it smooth?
  • I want an R, but my brother wants a Standard, so I'll ask about the electronic suspension, did you play with the modes, and did you feel a difference? Electronic suspension adjustment is definitely one place where the Multi shines
  • Is it easy to wheelie (^_^)
  • Do you recall if the digital displays got washed out in the sunlight?
OK, I will try to give (my) opinions
The low speed did seem to be somewhat hesitant ,I had a hard time tying to keep at a smooth spot. But that could be just the motor ,it's pretty lippy.


It seemed like it was hard to keep the throttle pulled back .

I could not feel the motor low down, only when I got it up in revs could you feel the power.

Weight all around was real light.

Take into account My bike is a 07 1200gs W/ OHLINS .My bike feels like a monster compared to this thing.
I'm 6'1 and it felt small to me? And it looks much smaller than the DAKAR .Which I think would feel like a dirt bike compared to my bike..

The gear box was super smooth compared t to my Beemer. I could find N no problem w/ my cross fires on.

I did not play w/the electronic suspension but watched the KTM guy go though the mods. The street mod was pretty slushy.

Once again take into account that this test ride was in Roseville a off shoot of Sac., stop and go all the way for about 40 mins. And one fwy part a mile long ,So basically it SUCKED!


I tried to get on it what I could and I think this bike would do wheelies all day long. And it is one sexy looking bike!

The digital display was good all the time and pretty easy to read..

I did not like the front of the bike (motor) part, looks like lots of stuff to get fucked up or smashed

All that said...And this is my opinion (feelings), So don't get all upset.

This is not the bike for me and the kind of riding I do. It just made me love my bike all the more. I could put 1/2 a car on the back of that thing and my wife in it and you would hardy notice it was there .But I do have mapper ,full exhaust ,air filter.

I can rip the gravel roads because I have learned to stand up for 50 miles
and go places a GS probably shouldn't be, but I can't do the real dirt stuff. my Knees just won't take it.


I would rather keep my bike and find a 07,08 Dakar with all the goodies for 1/2 the price w/ a few scratches on it .I think I would be much happier.

So now I don't have to wonder?


But like I said that's just ME
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:11 AM   #17
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So you're saying that the standard version 1190 would not make a good off roader?

So, what did NOT do it for you, the throttle response?

I wonder if riding the standard version and riding the R version would be different...with suspension, handling (the R has the 21 inch front wheel), etc....maybe you would have liked that better?

Just investigating and picking people's brains who have actually been on this mythical beast, because it doesn't seem to be coming to the east coast at all.....
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:34 AM   #18
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.But I do have mapper ,full exhaust ,air filter.
see that's a huge difference in feel and response on most all modern bikes
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:12 AM   #19
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Still all on the west side. There are KTM riders East Colorado...
There are more Motorcycles sold in Southern California than any other state. Cali has over a million registered bikes, of course they get all of the goodies first. Florida is second, at about half a million bikes registered. They'll make it out there eventually.
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Old 10-14-2013, 04:02 PM   #20
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Thank you very much! I do have a question from your demonstration ride:
  • How is the low speed fueling. The low speed fueling on my 2010 Multistrada 1200S is kind of crap, so the idea of a smooth V-Twin down low would be very nice
  • Did you feel the weight of the exhaust can much on the right side? I plan on getting a Wings... but I'm still curious
  • I have read good things about the gearbox, but that was from journalists, and I am reticent to believe everything they write (due to not wanted to upset bike mfgrs.), how did banging through the gears feel to you? Was it smooth?
  • I want an R, but my brother wants a Standard, so I'll ask about the electronic suspension, did you play with the modes, and did you feel a difference? Electronic suspension adjustment is definitely one place where the Multi shines
  • Is it easy to wheelie (^_^)
  • Do you recall if the digital displays got washed out in the sunlight?
I also took an 1190 Standard for a demo spin at the Roseville event. My frame of reference for comparison is my 2012 990 Adventure. I also have Ducati, so I hear what you're saying about the low speed throttle issues.

While I did not really try riding the bike at very low rpms for much distance, I did not have any real issues with fueling. It pulled away cleanly from a standstill and took throttle from middling rpm's without bucking and complaining. I had no issues smoothly controlling the bike during low speed turns.

I do not like that the side-mount exhaust requires that the side case have a cut-out that removes a third of the capacity, but there is nothing handling wise that you notice from the exhaust.

Gearbox was smooth and I had no fumbling around or missed shifts, even considering that I was wearing fairly stiff brand new Sidi Adventure boots at the time.

The bike was set on 'sport' mode and I didn't fool with the settings. I thought the suspension felt fine for the street riding we were doing. I will say that the suspension felt more composed than my 990 Adventure under acceleration and braking, but that's obviously kind of apples-to-oranges as it is comparing 'sport' mode on the 1190 to the suspension on what is basically a giant dirt bike.

That 1190 motor is a beast and it is stoopid easy to do wheelies. I was rolling along in 3rd, rolled the throttle to the stop and within a couple seconds the front end was departing terra firma. This thing is seriously fast.

It was a bright sunny day and I didn't notice any issues with viewing the display. I did notice that the handle-bar buttons that control the display seemed to need a firm press to make them work consistently.

Other notes...

The bike does *feel* smaller than my 990 Adventure. I think that is mostly perception from the fact that there is not as much dash and what not in front of you. Handling was quite light and felt more like a bike with a 17" rather than the 19" front wheel. I also felt that the ergos were a little more street bike-ish with my hands a bit lower and forward than with my 990. Also, I felt a little more 'locked in' in the sitting position. I did ride it standing for a bit and it was comparable to my 990 Adventure, fairly comfortable for my 5'10" height. I obviously can't comment on its off-road aspects, but I will say that as compared to the 950/950 Adventure there seems to be more stuff exposed to a bashing during off-road activities and it doesn't have the same 'big dirt bike' feeling. From a fit-and-finish perspective the 1190 seems much more refined than my 990 Adventure.
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:09 PM   #21
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So you're saying that the standard version 1190 would not make a good off roader?

So, what did NOT do it for you, the throttle response?

I wonder if riding the standard version and riding the R version would be different...with suspension, handling (the R has the 21 inch front wheel), etc....maybe you would have liked that better?

Just investigating and picking people's brains who have actually been on this mythical beast, because it doesn't seem to be coming to the east coast at all.....
I asked the KTM guy witch on he would get and he said he would go with the standard because of better tire choices.
or just ride his dirt bike.

But a true dirt guy would go for the R I would think, And you get the crash bars w/ it .

Or what MOTOKEITH said. He would have a better insight.

If it was me I would ride it before I bought it.

But that just me..
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:54 PM   #22
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I asked the KTM guy witch on he would get and he said he would go with the standard because of better tire choices.
or just ride his dirt bike.

But a true dirt guy would go for the R I would think, And you get the crash bars w/ it .

Or what MOTOKEITH said. He would have a better insight.

If it was me I would ride it before I bought it.

But that just me..
That's pretty much my situation - I have a 690 Enduro R for my offroad antics and the 990 Adventure is just sort of my go anywhere street bike. I keep it shoed with Conti Trail Attacks and ride it on nothing worse than fire road two-track jeep trail type stuff. As such, I tried out the standard because it leans more towards street with light dirt duty and that suits my needs.
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:18 AM   #23
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I have the R and I would love to share a few thoughts with you on the bike. Long time lurker, sorry!

I still can't believe we have it before the yanks..... Sorry, couldn't resist, It will probably be the one and only time it happens! Good marketing tho, like blood in the water, sharks in every bloody thread!

I am not a brilliant rider, I consider myself consistent, I have binned it on track and learnt they DO make it look easy on TV . Have raced bikes for a few years and have been on and off road for around 20. I test rode both models as I was lucky enough to ride a colleagues R bike. I'm no pro so take what you want from this spiel!!!

The fuelling is really, really good. Low down fuelling in 1st gear for tracks or traffic has proven to be very pleasant. A very light throttle action may take some a little time to get used to but trail braking the front into corners and rolling on the throttle is seamless. Even when in a gear too low or high. I have the wings standard pipe and its bloody loud with the baffle out! Sounds awesome and is shit loads lighter then standard can.

The gearbox is also great. A little hesitant at very first but with a few good rides and higher rpm's, it is now smooth and light.

The electronic suspension on the standard is very good. A noticeable difference between settings and suits that bike and its intended purpose. I think KTM did the right thing making it "only" an option on the R. I have tinkered with my manual setup and it responds really well to fine adjustments, the reason why I think they have conventional suspension on the R. Plus they know we HAVE to have something to play with and blame for that front end loose.....

It's stupid easy to wheelie, even this ham fisted f@$k wit can get the front to climb. Clutch or power it up, just remember to turn off the MTC.

The dash has not given me any trouble here in sunny OZ, we have had no rain in Queensland for like a month, off topic sorry.

Both bikes are great rides in my opinion. I'm not an overly critical person though and was lucky to be in the position to choose one. I was surprised how good the 21" front of the R felt on fast Tarmac (never thought I would have 150hp + 21" front wheel!)

There have been problems. I found the heat on the standard bike a little more offensive, the air filter is a bit of a bummer, but not the end of the world, there will be a solution. KTM have been quite good about fixing the re-call's, some dealers need a swift kick up the arse in following up re-calls though. Not sure how 950 990 owners will take to the new model, will be interesting reading when you finally get the bike over there. Oh, some one needs to make a wheel set ASAP

Thanks for reading my dribble, hope it helps you out a little.
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Old 10-15-2013, 08:11 AM   #24
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I also took an 1190 Standard for a demo spin at the Roseville event. My frame of reference for comparison is my 2012 990 Adventure. I also have Ducati, so I hear what you're saying about the low speed throttle issues.

While I did not really try riding the bike at very low rpms for much distance, I did not have any real issues with fueling. It pulled away cleanly from a standstill and took throttle from middling rpm's without bucking and complaining. I had no issues smoothly controlling the bike during low speed turns.

I do not like that the side-mount exhaust requires that the side case have a cut-out that removes a third of the capacity, but there is nothing handling wise that you notice from the exhaust.

Gearbox was smooth and I had no fumbling around or missed shifts, even considering that I was wearing fairly stiff brand new Sidi Adventure boots at the time.

The bike was set on 'sport' mode and I didn't fool with the settings. I thought the suspension felt fine for the street riding we were doing. I will say that the suspension felt more composed than my 990 Adventure under acceleration and braking, but that's obviously kind of apples-to-oranges as it is comparing 'sport' mode on the 1190 to the suspension on what is basically a giant dirt bike.

That 1190 motor is a beast and it is stoopid easy to do wheelies. I was rolling along in 3rd, rolled the throttle to the stop and within a couple seconds the front end was departing terra firma. This thing is seriously fast.

It was a bright sunny day and I didn't notice any issues with viewing the display. I did notice that the handle-bar buttons that control the display seemed to need a firm press to make them work consistently.

Other notes...

The bike does *feel* smaller than my 990 Adventure. I think that is mostly perception from the fact that there is not as much dash and what not in front of you. Handling was quite light and felt more like a bike with a 17" rather than the 19" front wheel. I also felt that the ergos were a little more street bike-ish with my hands a bit lower and forward than with my 990. Also, I felt a little more 'locked in' in the sitting position. I did ride it standing for a bit and it was comparable to my 990 Adventure, fairly comfortable for my 5'10" height. I obviously can't comment on its off-road aspects, but I will say that as compared to the 950/950 Adventure there seems to be more stuff exposed to a bashing during off-road activities and it doesn't have the same 'big dirt bike' feeling. From a fit-and-finish perspective the 1190 seems much more refined than my 990 Adventure.
I concur with your assessment good sir. The standard 1190 would make a great replacement for my Vstrom and I'll keep the XRR for the knar knar. ;)
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Old 10-16-2013, 04:20 PM   #25
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So this is what Questor just Said.

So I did ride the 1190 and 1190R.
In summary: I would say that these bikes are very smooth, very powerful, and are all around a significant improvement to what KTM has made in the past. The bike had plenty of power and delivers is smoothly. The brakes are excellent, and the ergonomics will provide easy riding and a good riding position. They will be worthy competitors for bikes like the Ducati Multistrada, BMW K1300GT, and other powerful Canyon chaser bikes.
However, this is not the type of bike I prefer. It's too smooth, too quiet, and too complicated. Six separate computers. Complicated ABS and traction control systems. Fuel injection and chipped keys / anti-theft systems. These are all things I don't need to be worrying about when I'm hundreds of miles from the nearest paved road.

http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...=925090&page=6
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Old 10-26-2013, 07:53 AM   #26
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Got a demo ride in GA

I have to say it is an awesome powerplant. The bike is really easy to ride. It is very smooth. I rode around Dobbins Air Force Reserve base briefly on a demo ride, from Mountain Motorsports in Marietta.
I agree with previous assessments and observations, although I didn't feel any heat, probably due to cooler air temps, but I did notice something weird...
This standard 1190 seemed hard to keep down in a curve, it kept wanting to come back up to upright. Hard to describe, but it gets to a certain point when leaning over, then you have to work harder to push it down into a more severe lean angle, kind of unnerving at first.

Has anyone experienced this on demo rides?

By the way if you are in the area of Marietta, go by Mountain Motorsports and see Ivan for a demo ride.

The bike is starting at $16,500 and the R $16,800 so he said.
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Old 10-27-2013, 02:29 AM   #27
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Thank you very much! I do have a question from your demonstration ride:
  • How is the low speed fueling. The low speed fueling on my 2010 Multistrada 1200S is kind of crap, so the idea of a smooth V-Twin down low would be very nice
  • Did you feel the weight of the exhaust can much on the right side? I plan on getting a Wings... but I'm still curious
  • I have read good things about the gearbox, but that was from journalists, and I am reticent to believe everything they write (due to not wanted to upset bike mfgrs.), how did banging through the gears feel to you? Was it smooth?
  • I want an R, but my brother wants a Standard, so I'll ask about the electronic suspension, did you play with the modes, and did you feel a difference? Electronic suspension adjustment is definitely one place where the Multi shines
  • Is it easy to wheelie (^_^)
  • Do you recall if the digital displays got washed out in the sunlight?
As a new, UK based owner of the std ADV (with electronic suspension) I think I can answer most of your questions.
* Low speed fuelling is excellent. I upgraded from a 990 Supermoto, so know full well the twitchy throttle syndrome! I deliberately tested it at low revs - between 2k and 3k - and higher gears. I can use 4th gear at 30 mph on the flat.....
* Exhaust weight - nah, can't feel it there.
* Gearbox is smooth. I regular missed 3rd to 4th on my 990SM (unless wearing MX boots) but no such problems on the 1190. You can do clutch less up changes AND down changes (with a blip of the throttle).
* Electronic suspension makes a difference to the damping. Spring rate isn't changed, of course. I find I use comfort mode down bumpy back roads at speed, and you can really feel it working. Not forgetting the preload adjustment for Rider only, luggage, pillion, pillion + luggage. That definitely works.
* Sport mode gives you a livelier throttle (and automatically selects sport suspension) and yes, it will wheelie. Add the top box and fill it with laptop etc.....
* digital display is just fine, because it's black characters on a white background.
So, get a test ride and find out for yourself!
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I have to say it is an awesome powerplant. The bike is really easy to ride. It is very smooth. I rode around Dobbins Air Force Reserve base briefly on a demo ride, from Mountain Motorsports in Marietta.
I agree with previous assessments and observations, although I didn't feel any heat, probably due to cooler air temps, but I did notice something weird...
This standard 1190 seemed hard to keep down in a curve, it kept wanting to come back up to upright. Hard to describe, but it gets to a certain point when leaning over, then you have to work harder to push it down into a more severe lean angle, kind of unnerving at first.

Has anyone experienced this on demo rides?

By the way if you are in the area of Marietta, go by Mountain Motorsports and see Ivan for a demo ride.

The bike is starting at $16,500 and the R $16,800 so he said.
I took a demo ride on some back roads near mooresville NC on roads I know and I did not experience what you describe. I felt the bike was easy to lean in and stay in a turn. I buzzed around where there is almost no traffic and was running between 60-100 mph most of the ride which was about 30 miles. I am 6'6" and 330 pounds so a bike that weighs 500 pounds for me is fairly light. It was interesting to go from my 11 C-14 to the KTM and back. The engine on the 1190 is just awesome, I was in sport mode with traction control off and it will lift the front wheel 1st-4th with relative ease. I found the mapping to be spot on at all speeds and the throttle by wire was fantastic. Honestly I could not imagine a better all around bike for the riding I do.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:16 AM   #29
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I took a demo ride on some back roads near mooresville NC on roads I know and I did not experience what you describe. I felt the bike was easy to lean in and stay in a turn. I buzzed around where there is almost no traffic and was running between 60-100 mph most of the ride which was about 30 miles. I am 6'6" and 330 pounds so a bike that weighs 500 pounds for me is fairly light. It was interesting to go from my 11 C-14 to the KTM and back. The engine on the 1190 is just awesome, I was in sport mode with traction control off and it will lift the front wheel 1st-4th with relative ease. I found the mapping to be spot on at all speeds and the throttle by wire was fantastic. Honestly I could not imagine a better all around bike for the riding I do.
I just ordered one. Delivery February , I too have a concours 1400.. 2011, how are the differences? I sold my triumph speed triple to get this bike.. Wanted an all rounder to do a month trip all over USA and Canada
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The bike is starting at $16,500 and the R $16,800 so he said.
You guys are very lucky in the US, the R here in Colombia is essentially $30k US
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