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Old 10-15-2013, 05:59 AM   #31
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+1 on 5 to 6 gal tank
I personally prefer less then 5/6 gallons. 100miles max as tank range would be my preferred option. Adds to the overall safety too.
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:34 AM   #32
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It's a RALLY !!!!! not a sprint race

I say 5-6 gallons of fuel requirement
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:38 AM   #33
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It's a RALLY !!!!! not a sprint race

I say 5-6 gallons of fuel requirement
Sure it is a rallye, but there is no point in taking 30 liter of fuel on stages that have a 15mph average as stated...

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We won't know the length of the stages until they are finalized. And in my mind, the length will tell you little more than what your odometer should read at the finish. While pre-running one stage we averaged less than 15mph, and I used more than double the normal gas for that length. Another stage may have an average speed over 30mph or even 40mph. One thing is for sure, you'll be worn out by the end!
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Old 10-15-2013, 08:09 AM   #34
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Sure it is a rallye, but there is no point in taking 30 liter of fuel on stages that have a 15mph average as stated...
I understand your thought process completely
But did you not understand where he said you will use twice the amount of gas as normal in the slow sections averaging 15 miles per gallon?
Example:
Sand sand sand and more sand Equals poor gas mileage
I would Better be safe Then sorry

At a typical SCORE event ( Baja 1000 )on a 3.2 gallon tank
Our fuel injected 450 maxes out at 64 miles And that is with very little sand
Jmo

But I do look forward to seeing all of you over here at the diabolical I cannot wait!!!!
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Old 10-15-2013, 08:55 AM   #35
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I understand your thought process completely
But did you not understand where he said you will use twice the amount of gas as normal in the slow sections averaging 15 miles per gallon?
Example:
Sand sand sand and more sand Equals poor gas mileage
I would Better be safe Then sorry

At a typical SCORE event ( Baja 1000 )on a 3.2 gallon tank
Our fuel injected 450 maxes out at 64 miles And that is with very little sand
Jmo

But I do look forward to seeing all of you over here at the diabolical I cannot wait!!!!
Full bore require a lot of fuel... Ive never gone full bore for more then 3miles, I guess Im slow and most of all scared...

It does help with my fuel consumption

I just enjoy the scenery and the focus required with trying to ride fast and acurately navigating.

If this will be an event that doesnt require too much navigation then it probably isnt for me and you would probably require that 6 gallon gastank while I will focus on 'not falling off' and being safe Better safe then sorry :)
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Old 10-15-2013, 09:04 AM   #36
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Full bore require a lot of fuel... Ive never gone full bore for more then 3miles, I guess Im slow and most of all scared...

It does help with my fuel consumption

I just enjoy the scenery and the focus required with trying to ride fast and acurately navigating.

If this will be an event that doesnt require too much navigation then it probably isnt for me and you would probably require that 6 gallon gastank while I will focus on 'not falling off' and being safe Better safe then sorry :)
From what I've been told!
Navigation will be the key in this event .
Another words you have to go slow to go fast!!
A couple wrong turns and it will be diabolical!!!


this event is something that is needed here in North America
And when this comes together I will be putting a support package together for our friends from overseas
Including Rider and bike pick up and transportation to and from the event and hospitality in the bivouac
I may even have a few bike rentals
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Old 10-15-2013, 09:13 AM   #37
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Sure it is a rallye, but there is no point in taking 30 liter of fuel on stages that have a 15mph average as stated...
As Baja Dad said, the 15 mph average was dunes. We were doing an experimental ride of 60 miles in big dunes. At the end we had actually done around 65 miles because of zigzagging and mistakes. I had 4.2 gallons of gas. I ran out completely just before the end. That's 15.5 miles per gallon (6.5 km/liter) average. I had no idea the mileage would be that bad. Normally when I need long range I carry an extra 1 gallon in a bottle on my belt. I didn't take it that time because our test was so short.
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:35 PM   #38
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Here are some photos from our outing this past weekend. We were scouting routes, and testing a Dakar car.

The Diabolico scouting armada, with the black helicopter hidden:


Rafa, Dakar vet from Spain, reviewing a prerun roadbook.


My scout moto:


Locals, Toxic Bernie (center) and friends, sitting at a special waypoint:
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:42 PM   #39
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:02 PM   #40
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You come out the diabolical I'll build you a bike locally
Something small nimble lightweight you have a blast
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:19 PM   #41
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thank you

You may have a deal-

I have a 450 I could use, here, I just need more gas on it. Its got a sub-2 gallon tank right now

To be honest, an HP compass nav rally in the dunes scares the hell out of me- Kind of what makes it so enticing
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You may have a deal-

I have a 450 I could use, here, I just need more gas on it. Its got a sub-2 gallon tank right now

To be honest, an HP compass nav rally in the dunes scares the hell out of me- Kind of what makes it so enticing
It's diabolical !!!!!!!!!
That's the part of the event I'm excited about The challenge
The buzzards circling over our heads!!
The mirage of a beautiful oasis!!!

Okay I'm getting a little out there!!
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:40 PM   #43
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To be honest, an HP compass nav rally in the dunes scares the hell out of me- Kind of what makes it so enticing
Same here... however really like the bit I read on the website about how they will be programming some of the waypoints into everybody's gps each day. I am all for challenging navigation but not so keen on getting lost and dying in the desert.
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really like the bit I read on the website about how they will be programming some of the waypoints into everybody's gps each day.
There may be a FEW (possibly 3 or 4 on a long day) "waypoints" that your GPS could point you to, but those will only help you get back alive, they won't keep you on the course.

Most target points (VCPs) in the dunes sections will not have "waypoints" or "proximity" alerts as Garmin defines them. Your GPS will not be able to point you to each VCP you're looking for. You WILL have a form of visual indicator on your GPS, however you won't be able to use it until you've already gotten close to the point. This is sort of how it's done in Dakar, with their expensive GPS. I created a new way that allows you to use a much cheaper Garmin, most likely one you already have.

I can't explain my unique concept in detail right now , just be aware we want you to use the roadbook, compass heading, and odometer as the primary tools, and only use the GPS visual indicator the last few hundred meters.
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There may be a FEW (possibly 3 or 4 on a long day) "waypoints" that your GPS could point you to, but those will only help you get back alive, they won't keep you on the course.
Cool, exactly what I was hoping for (enough info to get back alive).

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Most target points (VCPs) in the dunes sections will not have "waypoints" or "proximity" alerts as Garmin defines them. Your GPS will not be able to point you to each VCP you're looking for. You WILL have a form of visual indicator on your GPS, however you won't be able to use it until you've already gotten close to the point. This is sort of how it's done in Dakar, with their expensive GPS. I created a new way that allows you to use a much cheaper Garmin, most likely one you already have.
The Garmin force is strong with this one

I think I know how you are doing it but won't divulge your secrets.
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