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Old 10-17-2013, 04:37 PM   #4531
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The prefilters are a course foam that will not stop much dust, but will stop heavier particles getting in.
There are two filters to stop the dust placed where the stock filter was.

UniFilter claim their system was designed to flow the same amount of air as the stock filter.

I think there is a lot of over reaction going on here.
Yes, if you did a deep water crossing where the intakes went under, you would get water in the airbox.
Yes, if you did drown it, you would need to spend a bit longer taking the extra stuff off to get to it.

But how many of you will actually try to do deep water crossings on one?
Seriously?
I agree.. when i got the uni filter added at the first service, even bolt on said we didn't bother putting the socks in because they can be too restrictive..

I will try a deep river crossing on mine if its in my way but it just means if its real deep ill keep an eye on the front and a finger on the kill switch just in case..

I think for a hybrid sports / adventure bike, your going to have some elements that are from either side.. and the air intake in this case sports..

it isnt all bad though.. i think we will be using its roar power 99% of the time in comparison to river crossings :P

as they say, you cant have your cake and eat it too.. well you can but the cake may taste better than it looks or vice versa.. :P
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Old 10-17-2013, 04:40 PM   #4532
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...the last time I posted it a few pages back, but the 1190 stand is only mounted with 6mm screws...it probably doesn't represent as big an issue as the 9x0 stand does in the event of an impact....as long as you carry a set of screw extractors and a battery drill. But it might be worthwhile mentioning it to the vertically challenged who habitually mount the bike by climbing on via the foot peg when on the sidestand. Do I remember reading a warning against this practice in the 990 owners manual....?
I've never noticed.. but thanks for the tip.. i usually do that when my legs are tired :)
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Old 10-17-2013, 04:45 PM   #4533
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Here you go with some links

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=911775
http://www.ktmforum.eu/forum3/wbb/95...r-abgebrochen/

And here someone touches the ground with the stand while driving
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=914734


I bet they spend many months designing it
interesting read.. although the bottom one is in regards to a adventure std not the R model which has more clearance..

id love to see the pics on how it broke.. im sure with a bit of time in the garage someone could find a solution..
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:01 PM   #4534
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So...given the light bracket holding the stand and the smaller screws ,It looks like KTM designed the 1190's side stand bracket (part#6030302600033S SIDE STAND BRACKET) to break off before the engine case breaks.

Given the pressure on the engineers to make the bike lighter, I am not surprised about their decision. Its not the end of the world. Many 9x0 owners rode their bikes for years and didn't even hit the stand once and don't even know what a relocator plate is..., never mind breaking the case. Go riding.
I just found this site on working bolt strengths.. it seems the tiny 6mm isnt so weak after all..

http://www.tech.plymouth.ac.uk/sme/desnotes/boltb.htm

So it takes 24550 newtons to break a 6mm bolt = 5519 pounds or 2503 kg hit.. given that website is correct..

any engineers want to confirm?
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:22 PM   #4535
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The strength isn't as important as the grade. If it's a grade 6 or 8, it will stretch somewhat before it breaks. If it's a grade 10 or 12, it will be stronger, but more brittle and it will sheer off more easily.
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Old 10-17-2013, 07:41 PM   #4536
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New comparison between the 1190R and 990 Baja

If it's already been posted......I haven't seen it on the thread yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK57...layer_embedded
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Old 10-17-2013, 10:35 PM   #4537
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If it's already been posted......I haven't seen it on the thread yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK57...layer_embedded
I made a thread for it few days ago:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=927669
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:08 AM   #4538
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I just found this site on working bolt strengths.. it seems the tiny 6mm isnt so weak after all..

http://www.tech.plymouth.ac.uk/sme/desnotes/boltb.htm

So it takes 24550 newtons to break a 6mm bolt = 5519 pounds or 2503 kg hit.. given that website is correct..

any engineers want to confirm?
Shear strength and ultimate tensile strength are two different things. Both of these vary significantly depending on the material the bolt is made from and how it is heat treated.
It's possible those bolts could be subjected to both forces depending on how the sidestand was hit. Also note that there are very long levers involved that magnify the forces significantly (for example if the distance between the bolts was 1.5" and the stand 15" long, the forces might be 10 times higher). Acceleration due to gravity and the speed of the bike also increase the forces. All this is speculative...the real world is a large target sample (thousands of new owners) and lots of testing (thousands of miles of rocky trails). So you guinea pigs...uh...astute 1190 owners....who bought the first year model, get out there and ride em like they were meant to be and we will take notes...
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:28 AM   #4539
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Shear strength and ultimate tensile strength are two different things. Both of these vary significantly depending on the material the bolt is made from and how it is heat treated.
It's possible those bolts could be subjected to both forces depending on how the sidestand was hit. Also note that there are very long levers involved that magnify the forces significantly (for example if the distance between the bolts was 1.5" and the stand 15" long, the forces might be 10 times higher). Acceleration due to gravity and the speed of the bike also increase the forces. All this is speculative...the real world is a large target sample (thousands of new owners) and lots of testing (thousands of miles of rocky trails). So you guinea pigs...uh...astute 1190 owners....who bought the first year model, get out there and ride em like they were meant to be and we will take notes...

Come on, lets get serious. If we see the current center stand braking, do you think they (KTM) would put so much science on a 3-4 bolts ? Now honestly...
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Old 10-18-2013, 03:42 PM   #4540
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Put a deposit down on a 1190r and consigned my multi! I'm pumped!!
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Old 10-18-2013, 05:03 PM   #4541
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Old 10-18-2013, 05:15 PM   #4542
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Old 10-18-2013, 05:39 PM   #4543
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Nice that's good news they are starting to come in
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:01 PM   #4544
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:25 PM   #4545
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Haha, I like how this guy gets breathless whenever he talks about the Adventure :)


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