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Old 10-22-2013, 04:45 AM   #196
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Around here, in Vermont, the majority of cold weather riders are on BMWs or dirt bikes.
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Old 10-22-2013, 05:25 AM   #197
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Around here, in Vermont, the majority of cold weather riders are on BMWs or dirt bikes.
Looks to be the same here, which is a little south of you, with two more running around (a 2nd and 3rd GS in the family).
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Old 10-22-2013, 05:53 AM   #198
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Looks to be the same here, which is a little south of you, with two more running around (a 2nd and 3rd GS in the family).
There are just a couple of dirt bikes, but there is a small population to draw from in central VT. My scooter is statistically too small to be mentioned.

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Old 10-22-2013, 09:24 AM   #199
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I do my own maintenance. i can tell you from experience, that working on all my GSes has been easier than the work on my hondas, Suzukis, triumphs, KTMs, Yamahas, kawasakis, harley Davidsons.... I have always been a two bike stable. The Ural is my current second. I can see from your post you dont own one. The new one is pretty good.
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:17 AM   #200
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No bike is easier to work on than a BMW boxer GS.
Wait until you need to replace the front swingarm boot.
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:32 AM   #201
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Wait until you need to replace the front swingarm boot.
I wonder how doing that compares to changing the air filter on a Honda Goldwing?
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Old 10-22-2013, 12:48 PM   #202
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BMW's penchant for one sided rear suspensions with easily detached wheels is a fine example of man's humanity to man.
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Old 10-22-2013, 01:54 PM   #203
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I would disagree with this. Most would rather do several consecutive 600 mile days on the BMW 1600 than on your ZZR. THAT makes it a better Sport Tourer.
That makes it a better tourer... And I'll agree it's overall a much nicer bike. I have a bad back so my 600 mile days in the saddle are sadly gone. 150-250 is about my limit. My ZZR is just perfect for that. The ZZR is much more sport than it is touring, but with bar risers it's surprisingly comfy for my shorter rides.
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Old 10-22-2013, 01:55 PM   #204
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Should we instead just be happy that there are so many different kinds of motorcycles to choose from?

In the auto industry, we like to say that there is an ass for every seat. In this place, that is so much more true......
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Old 10-23-2013, 06:30 AM   #205
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BMW's penchant for one sided rear suspensions with easily detached wheels is a fine example of man's humanity to man.
Couldn't agree more. Despite of what I said earlier, all routine maintenance on BMW boxer is easy. I had a V-Rod, and wouldn't even attempt to check valves. My 1200GS just needed first replacement parts at 55k miles. Before that- nothing but oil, brakes and tires. No expensive chains and sprockets. I also replaced fuel fittings as a preventive repair, but who knows, they could last for a long time. The problem with BMWs is not in day to day reliability, but in the cost of spare parts.

The validity of CR ratings is another story. I stopped reading them 20 years ago. At that time I worked in a TV repair shop. Back then you could buy several brands of TVs with only cosmetic differences. GE was making GE, RCA and ProScan, Phillips was also sold as Magnavox, Philco, Crosley and so on. The CR ratings for them were all over the place. Their surveys are as unscientific as they get.
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:26 AM   #206
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until the Manufactures release warranty claim data (not ever going to happen) its all just speculation as to who has the most reliable motorcycles
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:36 AM   #207
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The validity of CR ratings is another story. I stopped reading them 20 years ago. At that time I worked in a TV repair shop. Back then you could buy several brands of TVs with only cosmetic differences. GE was making GE, RCA and ProScan, Phillips was also sold as Magnavox, Philco, Crosley and so on. The CR ratings for them were all over the place. Their surveys are as unscientific as they get.
I agree. CR ratings are only slightly better than useless - a minor clue at best. Telephone polls are not terribly scientific and lab tests of a few units does not constitute statistical validity. As Berto said above, only warranty claims give you any real data. Also, there are people and companies who are paid to influence polls and internet forum posts. You can sometimes tell who the paid shills are as they will try to hammer/wear down those who disagree.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:39 AM   #208
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Now that's funny...I'll take your challenge any day of the week. Straight line, top speed, or in the twisties.
when is this happening?
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Old 10-31-2013, 07:05 PM   #209
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Have to be in the spring, I have a broken faring. But I live near Lake Tahoe, so we can make one hell of a fun ride out of it...you know, after the racing nonsense is out of the way. I think one he sees the ZZR accelerate, he'll be content to just go for a nice ride and let me buy him a cold beer at a pub at the end of the day.
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Old 10-31-2013, 07:07 PM   #210
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And no, I didn't crash it. The guy I bought it from dropped it and put a decent crack in it. Then when I trailered it 2000 miles when we moved, it opened that crack all the way down..,it's ugly. Speaking of ugly, I picked up a used faring that someone painted with orange flames...those will go away very early in the project. So I have my wintertime work cut out for me.
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