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Old 10-22-2013, 09:33 PM   #16
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I was at my welder today to figure away to strengthen the sidecar

We are thinking of adding a 1/8 alum plate under the sidecar and and extending and curving it up to the nose. One inch spacer between plate and the fiberglass body. Could be pretty strong off road..
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:54 AM   #17
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I think the perimeter sidecar frames such as the Heddingham, Watsonian and the Vetter terraplanes were/ are the best bet as far as true bumpers go. We have done our bumpers as a frame mount as well as a body mount but it seems the body mount has worked fine for it's purpose. Yes, it does deflect things and also does create a crush zone of sorts. The addition of what we call a stone deflector on the front underside of the body also adds some beef up front.
We have also done a 'bumper' that actually extended front to rear underneath the body that had a roll bar incorporated into it.
As far as roll bars go I think Craig Vetter probably had the best design out there on the Terraplanes. Not counting the full roll cage design that Side Effects did on Murray's Triumph powered outfit.
Most roll bars are decorative. Most bumpers are decent deflectors and great driving light holders.
Right Claude...

Regular diamond aluminum sheets you can buy locally, then conform to the bumper frame/body mount would do wonders against stone chipping, etc.

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Old 10-23-2013, 10:20 AM   #18
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Right Claude...
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:23 PM   #19
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I was at my welder today to figure away to strengthen the sidecar

We are thinking of adding a 1/8 alum plate under the sidecar and and extending and curving it up to the nose. One inch spacer between plate and the fiberglass body. Could be pretty strong off road..
I would be tempted to maybe add a rubber strip around the perimeter or something to keep it from flailing with mud...or maybe not ? Just thinking out loud.
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:58 PM   #20
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I would be tempted to maybe add a rubber strip around the perimeter or something to keep it from flailing with mud...or maybe not ? Just thinking out loud.
Oh, Yes, Claude that had been my thought long ago before tackling the TAT, but never came to it. The space between the plate and body did indeed collect mud; scrub; but most of all those hundreds of pesky grasshoppers of the Oklahoma plains.. Cleaned the stuff before selling my rig to Duncan .

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Old 10-23-2013, 03:17 PM   #21
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I believe I'll eventually get around to some pickup bed liner on the bottom of the tub as a skid plate, lately at my buddies welding shop we've been repairing saddle tanks off semi tractors.
They trap enough salt and moisture between the straps and gaskets that hold them on that they corrode and leak. I don't think that's a real fear for a sidecar bottom, but anything that traps stuff is problematic. DB
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:33 PM   #22
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glue/seal

What do you think of seal/glueing the plate to the tub?
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:44 PM   #23
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What do you think of seal/glueing the plate to the tub?
I aint going there! What's the goal ? Skid plate ? Bolts and fender washer, being sure to get it flat againest tub , final assembly a bead of silicone caulk on the outside of plate to seal gap, but when one drills fiberglass you violate its waterproofness, gotta keep moisture out of laminate.On the other hand you live in AZ where moistures not a real problem.DB
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:49 PM   #24
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I aint going there! What's the goal ? Skid plate ? Bolts and fender washer, being sure to get it flat againest tub , final assembly a bead of silicone caulk on the outside of plate to seal gap, but when one drills fiberglass you violate its waterproofness, gotta keep moisture out of laminate.On the other hand you live in AZ where moistures not a real problem.DB
I think as a bash plate and a mounting plate. There are some really nice sealing gaskets and yes, it is pretty dry here.

I will be visiting jay the welder in the morning. Thinking of making a plate on the back for a battery box to run a larger battery.

Also added a set of ROX risers and what a difference in steering. Shoulder's are much more relaxed
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:08 PM   #25
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I aint going there! What's the goal ? Skid plate ? Bolts and fender washer, being sure to get it flat againest tub , final assembly a bead of silicone caulk on the outside of plate to seal gap, but when one drills fiberglass you violate its waterproofness, gotta keep moisture out of laminate.On the other hand you live in AZ where moistures not a real problem.DB
True only if the fiberglass is of inferior build and where the F'glass is poorly saturated. DMC- then build me two solid halves. Of course as a precaution I did seal every hole that I made. Larger accessible holes were re-epoxied or re-resinated. Backing washer or plates for most heavy installations were also used.



8mm thickness; pretty heavy layup



WALKINGBEAR....

You can pretty much attach your designed plate to the already existing mounts of the bumper then use longer screws to make it through the body with backing washers.



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Old 10-27-2013, 11:19 AM   #26
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I hope Tom doesn't mind me stealing his pic but he's got a winch on a bumper that's not part of the frame. Will this actually pull the rig out of a bog without damage?

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Old 10-27-2013, 11:40 AM   #27
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I hope Tom doesn't mind me stealing his pic but he's got a winch on a bumper that's not part of the frame. Will this actually pull the rig out of a bog without damage?

Within reason think 4 3/8" bolts and washers in the tub floor.DB Where'd you find that ? It's the cutest Ural I've ever seen.DB
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Old 10-27-2013, 12:08 PM   #28
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Agree Db.. one of the cutiest Ural ever seen.

Winch is alright. The Tub is mild steel and the pull from the bumper is most likely horizontal. Plenty strong for a lite-weight Ural compared to our Beemers, etc.

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Old 10-28-2013, 05:07 PM   #29
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Ah, but maybe that setup won't work for me then with the 11GS ... I like the setup.
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Old 10-29-2013, 07:13 PM   #30
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cage with winch

how about this
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