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Old 10-21-2013, 07:51 PM   #136
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The "stumble" is caused by the 1-3 gear restrictions. It's really not noticeable or at least wasn't for me till you do the CJM, then suddenly you realize how much better the bike feels at low rpms.

Of course, the flash takes it to another level all together.

I tried the CJM and didn't care for it. I found it made the throttle response overly "snatchy" for my taste. Maybe I'm just a pansy...
I also missed T mode for slow technical off road.
I'm hoping the reflash keeps T mode smooth and mellow for offroading.
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Old 10-21-2013, 08:34 PM   #137
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I tried the CJM and didn't care for it. I found it made the throttle response overly "snatchy" for my taste. Maybe I'm just a pansy...
I also missed T mode for slow technical off road.
I'm hoping the reflash keeps T mode smooth and mellow for offroading.
It does. The T mode to me feels almost more mellow than stock. Probably because of the
large difference in S mode. Very smooth power delivery.

If you thought the CJM made it feel 'snatchy' wait until you try the reflashed S mode. The good thing is T mode
puts it back into mellow town.
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Old 10-21-2013, 08:45 PM   #138
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It does. The T mode to me feels almost more mellow than stock. Probably because of the
large difference in S mode. Very smooth power delivery.

If you thought the CJM made it feel 'snatchy' wait until you try the reflashed S mode. The good thing is T mode
puts it back into mellow town.

Thats excellent to know. I don't mind having a "hooligan" mode if I can have it usable for off road still. Thanks!
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Old 10-21-2013, 08:52 PM   #139
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On the other hand, if you use the bike alone and mainly for fun on open roads, you are unlikely to encounter these problems as the throttle settings and engine speeds you use are not in the range that cause problems.
I think this is maybe why I never notice the low RPM fueling issues people talk about, because post break in, my bike is rarely at low RPMs. I am usually at 1/2 or more throttle and 3k plus RPM. I didn't buy it to tootle around at low speeds, I bought this thing to have FUN!
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:43 AM   #140
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I think this is maybe why I never notice the low RPM fueling issues people talk about, because post break in, my bike is rarely at low RPMs. I am usually at 1/2 or more throttle and 3k plus RPM. I didn't buy it to tootle around at low speeds, I bought this thing to have FUN!
Sorry to break the news but the Gen II flash also considerably boosts performance in 4-6 gears...
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:00 AM   #141
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Sorry to break the news but the Gen II flash also considerably boosts performance in 4-6 gears...
And so I have read. If I could get it done locally I probably would, but it isn't enough for me to care at this point. When I move back to Texas I will probably have it done, but as it sits, I don't have any issues with the stock fueling, certainly not enough for me to want to tear it down, yank the ECU and send it out. I'll just think of it as the second honeymoon when I eventually get it done.
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:14 AM   #142
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Sorry to break the news but the Gen II flash also considerably boosts performance in 4-6 gears...
Got a dyno chart to back this up?

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Old 10-22-2013, 11:40 AM   #143
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Got a dyno chart to back this up?

- Mark
By seat of the pants it sure does. 6th gear feels like 5th. In S mode I'm constantly
trying to shift up from 6th because it pulls like it has one more gear left.

Everyone likes to try and quantify performance by a line on a piece of paper.
I prefer to get on the bike and feel if it works for me or not. Posts a upon posts
of 2nd gen reflash owners claiming an instant transformation in performance,
me included, yet seeing it on paper makes it believable?

It's nothing like a performance pipe that because it's loud makes you feel like
it must be running better. Most are running the exact set up with just the ECU
flashed and feeling real performance increases. Just like owners will when they
do the CJM only this continues into the upper gears and overall engine performance.

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Old 10-22-2013, 05:38 PM   #144
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I'm looking at a '12 with 19000 miles and fully equiped. My question is what is the output of the alternator? What issues have surfaced for you. I would be replacing my '96 Triumph Trophy 900.
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Old 10-22-2013, 05:53 PM   #145
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I'm looking at a '12 with 19000 miles and fully equiped. My question is what is the output of the alternator? What issues have surfaced for you. I would be replacing my '96 Triumph Trophy 900.
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1) 690W
2) I have to keep buying fuel. The oil keeps getting dirty, The tires wear out and the brake fluid needs replacing occasionally. I suppose given all that the brake pads might need replacing as well soon. AND if that's not bad enough the engine might finally expire at 400,000Km the way it is going.

Bloody YAMAHA POS.

More info here..http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=630631
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Old 10-22-2013, 05:56 PM   #146
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1) 690W
2) I have to keep buying fuel. The oil keeps getting dirty, The tires wear out and the brake fluid needs replacing occasionally.

More info here..http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=630631
Good to see you are happy with no issues!
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Old 10-22-2013, 08:09 PM   #147
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1) 690W
2) I have to keep buying fuel. The oil keeps getting dirty, The tires wear out and the brake fluid needs replacing occasionally. I suppose given all that the brake pads might need replacing as well soon. AND if that's not bad enough the engine might finally expire at 400,000Km the way it is going.

Bloody YAMAHA POS.

More info here..http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=630631



+1 @22k miles
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:54 PM   #148
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Got a dyno chart to back this up?

- Mark
Sorry Mark, I didn't spend $100 doing before and after dyno tests, but my butt dyno matches Pluric's seat of the pants result. He summed it up perfectly.

Fwiw, I test rode an LC GS in dynamic mode before my reflash and it made my S10 feel very lethargic. I recently rode a friend's LC GS in dynamic mode back to back with my flashed S10 in the twisties and couldn't tell any power difference. That's how good the flash bumps up the power.
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Old 10-23-2013, 12:05 AM   #149
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Sorry Mark, I didn't spend $100 doing before and after dyno tests, but my butt dyno matches Pluric's seat of the pants result. He summed it up perfectly.
No problem, just so long as everybody knows we're talking about butt dynos.

While improved throttle response, elimination of the off-idle "flat spot", and removal of the restrictions in the first three gears is widely attributed to the re-flash, you're the first I can recall who has said outright performance in the upper gears is better, even going so far to say it matches the GS-LC.

Given that the stock S10 is 22-hp down on the GS-LC (and weighs 40-odd lbs more to boot), you'll have to excuse me if I remain skeptical - this would be some kind of new world's record for power increase with an ECU re-flash.

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Old 10-23-2013, 01:26 AM   #150
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No problem, just so long as everybody knows we're talking about butt dynos.

While improved throttle response, elimination of the off-idle "flat spot", and removal of the restrictions in the first three gears is widely attributed to the re-flash, you're the first I can recall who has said outright performance in the upper gears is better, even going so far to say it matches the GS-LC.

Given that the stock S10 is 22-hp down on the GS-LC (and weighs 40-odd lbs more to boot), you'll have to excuse me if I remain skeptical - this would be some kind of new world's record for power increase with an ECU re-flash.

- Mark
Keep in mind it was a twisty back road so we weren't banging off the rev limiter in the higher gears. I'm sure the LC GS would pull away in a drag race at the Bonneville Salt Flats but when it comes to real world riding conditions, the reflashed S10 holds its own against the beemer.
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