ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > Orange Crush
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 10-25-2013, 05:39 AM   #1
ADVill OP
Studly Adventurer
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Location: West Tn, USA
Oddometer: 589
Cleaning/replacing air filter is actually bad for your engine

Discuss
__________________
'08 990 Adventure Orange of course
'00 520 EXC
'14 500 XCW
ADVill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 05:54 AM   #2
Orangecicle
Beastly Adventurer
 
Orangecicle's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Location: West Des Moines, IA
Oddometer: 2,128
And the alternative is ????????
__________________
"I'd like to meet the joker who had the nerve to call this a road!" -- Walter Sigmann
"Loud tires save lives." -- Unknown
Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/brad.horn.9
Orangecicle is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 05:55 AM   #3
Boatman
Ride more, BS less!
 
Boatman's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Location: Petersburg, NY and Woodbridge, VA
Oddometer: 10,015
__________________
08 KTM 950 SE, 09 KTM 950 SE, 04 KTM 950 ADV, 10 Husaberg FE390, 66 Kawasaki B8S Super 150

Hi/low beam conversions for: Trail Tech, Baja Designs
Boatman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 05:58 AM   #4
Boatman
Ride more, BS less!
 
Boatman's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Location: Petersburg, NY and Woodbridge, VA
Oddometer: 10,015
I'll bite..... what filters are we discussing paper, foam, cloth???? Before or after washing all the crud off from the filter cover? Under the influence? Method of cleaning?

__________________
08 KTM 950 SE, 09 KTM 950 SE, 04 KTM 950 ADV, 10 Husaberg FE390, 66 Kawasaki B8S Super 150

Hi/low beam conversions for: Trail Tech, Baja Designs
Boatman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 06:10 AM   #5
rallyreplica
out and about
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Location: Pasadena CA
Oddometer: 53
I've always thought that changing the oil in my engine was bad for my bike.... I'm not sure I get this thread
rallyreplica is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 07:44 AM   #6
kenny61
Crazy Idiot
 
kenny61's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Location: Romaniacs 2019
Oddometer: 24,014
For those of you who aren't aware the theory behind not cleaning an air filter is that the dirt it has collected acts to further restrict the openings in the filter allowing less debris into the motor, by cleaning the filter you are not only removing the additional filtering agents but also enlarging the openings in the filter during the cleaning process. I rub cheap $7 air filters from rocky mountain and replace them every two years or after any deep water submersions.

As far as not changing oil I don't understand what that poster is trying to say. I change my oil every 2,000 miles, And use a new filter only after every 2nd change for the same reasons stated as above.
__________________
On the plains of hesitation lie the blackened bones of countless millions who at the dawn of victory lay down to rest, and in resting died. The only thing that comes to those who wait is old age. Too many dreams.... Not enough time. Not Scared of dying. Not scared of living. Just scared of the pain that separates the two...
kenny61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 08:26 AM   #7
Two Moto Kiwis
Homeless Somewhere
 
Two Moto Kiwis's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Location: Wanaka, New Zealand, Currently RTWing
Oddometer: 3,487
Quote:
Originally Posted by ADVill View Post
Discuss
For me nothing to discuss, every oil change at between 5000 - 7500 we wash and very anally re oil the air filter and pre cleaners x 3, wash the stainless steel oil filter out very carefully as well as mesh screens

By filling the holes up in the airfilter makes it run richer, use more fuel and will lead to bore washing ... good luck to those who choose this route.
__________________
Andi (oveja negra) & Ellen (chica amarilla)...Two Moto Kiwi Grüvers .....riding Maya somewhere ..Una Chimba
Two Moto Kiwis Home Page ..Danger Is Real ... Fear Is Optional
For More Of Two Moto Kiwis Photos
....Where The Hell Are We .. Spot Us
Two Moto Kiwis is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 09:13 AM   #8
LowOnFuel
Gnarly Adventurer
 
LowOnFuel's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: Pacific NW
Oddometer: 204
I agree, if you don't clean/replace your air filter it will become more and more restrictive and eventually prevent the engine from starting, therefore causing less wear on the engine.

LowOnFuel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 09:22 AM   #9
kenny61
Crazy Idiot
 
kenny61's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Location: Romaniacs 2019
Oddometer: 24,014
Most air filters are designed to flow 2-3 times of what the carb can flow. Granted a clogged filter will cause power loss, but I don't think the op is saying that it should never be replaced, just that they shouldn't be cleaned
__________________
On the plains of hesitation lie the blackened bones of countless millions who at the dawn of victory lay down to rest, and in resting died. The only thing that comes to those who wait is old age. Too many dreams.... Not enough time. Not Scared of dying. Not scared of living. Just scared of the pain that separates the two...
kenny61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 10:01 AM   #10
larryboy
Paint it black.
 
larryboy's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Location: Über Alles,Ca
Oddometer: 13,695
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny61 View Post
I don't think the op is saying that it should never be replaced, just that they shouldn't be cleaned

It's called over servicing and some amount of dirt/dust will find a way into the engine every time. It's all about making sure it needs to be changed in the first place. A filter minder would be a great addition to a motorcycle, I'm going to install one on my Goldwing so I can just change the filter when the gauge says it's restricted.
__________________
Be sure the safest rule is that we should not dare to live in any scene in which we dare not die. ~Lewis Carroll~
larryboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 10:05 AM   #11
groovyspuds
Adventurer
 
groovyspuds's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Location: The PNW
Oddometer: 45
Run it 'till it grenades, buy a new one.
groovyspuds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 10:44 AM   #12
kenny61
Crazy Idiot
 
kenny61's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Location: Romaniacs 2019
Oddometer: 24,014
Quote:
Originally Posted by larryboy View Post
A filter minder would be a great addition to a motorcycle, I'm going to install one on my Goldwing so I can just change the filter when the gauge says it's restricted.


I have one on my truck. That's a great idea. Do they make a motorcycle specific one or are you going to mod your ow,. I would be very interested in pics or a write up
__________________
On the plains of hesitation lie the blackened bones of countless millions who at the dawn of victory lay down to rest, and in resting died. The only thing that comes to those who wait is old age. Too many dreams.... Not enough time. Not Scared of dying. Not scared of living. Just scared of the pain that separates the two...
kenny61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 10:46 AM   #13
Boatman
Ride more, BS less!
 
Boatman's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Location: Petersburg, NY and Woodbridge, VA
Oddometer: 10,015
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny61 View Post
..... I don't think the op is saying that it should never be replaced, just that they shouldn't be cleaned


I don't think that's correct, his statement...

"Cleaning/replacing air filter is actually bad for your engine"

Clearly states cleaned and/or replaced.



He needs to come back and 'splain himself or we'll start jumping to conclusions.
__________________
08 KTM 950 SE, 09 KTM 950 SE, 04 KTM 950 ADV, 10 Husaberg FE390, 66 Kawasaki B8S Super 150

Hi/low beam conversions for: Trail Tech, Baja Designs
Boatman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 10:49 AM   #14
Boatman
Ride more, BS less!
 
Boatman's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Location: Petersburg, NY and Woodbridge, VA
Oddometer: 10,015
FWIW,,, the OP did post this in OC knowing full well (assumption on my part) these bikes have paper OEM filters. So is he saying just changing an OEM filter is bad for your engine. Surely there is no residual dirt/grit in a new filter element.
__________________
08 KTM 950 SE, 09 KTM 950 SE, 04 KTM 950 ADV, 10 Husaberg FE390, 66 Kawasaki B8S Super 150

Hi/low beam conversions for: Trail Tech, Baja Designs
Boatman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 10:56 AM   #15
kenny61
Crazy Idiot
 
kenny61's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Location: Romaniacs 2019
Oddometer: 24,014
True , we may need some more info
__________________
On the plains of hesitation lie the blackened bones of countless millions who at the dawn of victory lay down to rest, and in resting died. The only thing that comes to those who wait is old age. Too many dreams.... Not enough time. Not Scared of dying. Not scared of living. Just scared of the pain that separates the two...
kenny61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 07:26 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014