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Old 10-26-2013, 10:09 PM   #1771
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Pirelli wasn't forced to change tires; they just didn't have a choice unless you want to see exploding tires in every race.

It seems to me that all of the other manufactures need to get off their ass and start creating solutions to their problems (like Red Bull does) instead of bitching and complaining (which RB also does). Red Bull started the season with a good car but they had some close competition to deal with. In a few short weeks they seemed to sort out the performance issues and once again have the car to beat. I'm pretty sure that's how it would be even if the new tires didn't favor them.

It was the same way when the double diffuser was banned. Red Bull didn't have the fastest car at the first race. However, their engineers and money designed pieces to make a faster car (imagine that concept in F1).

I thought designing the fastest car possible within the rules is what F1 is all about. I'm a Mercedes fan but this is racing.... and Red Bull is winning for a reason.....

I'm just tired of people bitching about the fastest car winning instead of bitching about why their favorite team sucks so damn badly.
Pirelli was indeed forced to change the tires. Left to themselves, they would not have made the switch.

One cannot speculate as to how competitive Red Bull would have been late in the season on the old tires. There's no evidence either way.

Designing cars within the rules is indeed the goal. Arguably, over the years Red Bull have won while not doing that. I hope Mark Webber spills the beans once he's no longer obligated to keep their dark secrets.

I think it's wide of the mark to suggest the other teams aren't working their butts off to improve their cars -- either this year's or next year's. The difference between them and Red Bull is two-fold.

One, Adrian Newey is without question the best designer in F1, and he has been for quite some time. And two, Red Bull spend much more money than everyone else. Money allows you to waste time exploring different ideas. Other teams cannot afford to waste precious manpower on potential dead ends. Red Bull can. They just hire more people and spend more money.

There's no disgrace in that. I support Ferrari and that used to be them, the richest team in F. Now it's Red Bull. But money isn't hard work, it's money. Nasty, fizzy caffeinated beverage money.
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Old 10-27-2013, 12:49 AM   #1772
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Pirelli wasn't forced to change tires; they just didn't have a choice unless you want to see exploding tires in every race.
Not entirely true. Teams were using the tires on the wrong side of the car, too much camber, too low tire pressure, running them for too long etc. All against the guidelines Pirelli had issued. Basically teams were using the tires in a way they were not designed to perform. Teams wanted to gamble and find the extra tenth here and there. This along with the sharpie of a kerb in Silverstone added up for too much.

After that the tires were changed, but Pirelli also took more control over tire pressures, camber angles and usage of the tires.
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Old 10-27-2013, 01:47 AM   #1773
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Not entirely true. Teams were using the tires on the wrong side of the car, too much camber, too low tire pressure, running them for too long etc. All against the guidelines Pirelli had issued. Basically teams were using the tires in a way they were not designed to perform. Teams wanted to gamble and find the extra tenth here and there. This along with the sharpie of a kerb in Silverstone added up for too much.

After that the tires were changed, but Pirelli also took more control over tire pressures, camber angles and usage of the tires.
So its not something Pirelli was forced to do. They easily could have said we aren't changing the tires and you need to deal with it by using our guidelines. Like you said they did start making sure teams are using their recommended guidelines but they also changed to a construction that's less likely to disintegrate if its punctured. I'd like to know if every tire that failed was used backwards on the car at some point. At the beginning of the season I thought I read something about the new 2013 tires not being directional anyway?
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Old 10-27-2013, 04:05 AM   #1774
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:52 AM   #1775
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:01 AM   #1776
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:19 AM   #1777
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:16 AM   #1781
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What's the correct spelling now...
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Old 10-28-2013, 12:53 PM   #1782
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What's the correct spelling now...
4ettel
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Congrates to the best driver for the forth year running!
I'd put the driver only third on the list of reasons why a Red Bull car won the driver's title this season.
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Old 10-28-2013, 05:58 PM   #1784
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Old 10-28-2013, 06:10 PM   #1785
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