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Old 10-29-2013, 06:04 AM   #83131
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I prefer cord for venetian blinds or starter cord - it is about 1/8" diameter. The ends are (deliberately) frayed so that it lays flat when pulled under ~5 turns on the grips - use a loop of thin wire that is wound over to pull the end back under when finishing. Each turn is knotted with the knot under the second knuckle, others might prefer it in a different position or no knots at all and there is a smear of urethane under the cord.
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:35 AM   #83132
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I've never changed a tube on a motorcycle before. What is the basic process? Just so I'm not lost when I have to do it myself. Is it really as hard as y'all make it sound? Is this a good tool for the job?

http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0519/

Should I also get a tire iron? Would this be sufficiant tools for the job.
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:44 AM   #83133
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Either of you happen to have a GOPro or video cam to put your methods up on YouTube?
Dave.......rope wrapped grips? I wear X-Large gloves due to freakishly long fingers.
I dont even like large-ish diameter grips as they make the bike feel clumsy.

How the hell do you hang on with grips that size? Ive never in 40 some years of riding seen grips wrapped with rope or even venetian blind twine.

Except yours of course.
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:46 AM   #83134
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I've never changed a tube on a motorcycle before. What is the basic process? Just so I'm not lost when I have to do it myself. Is it really as hard as y'all make it sound? Is this a good tool for the job?

http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0519/

Should I also get a tire iron? Would this be sufficiant tools for the job.
You may want to start with an ADV tire changing thread,all will be revealed. Its harder then some things on bikes.
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:52 AM   #83135
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There is a difference between a race bike and how most of my bikes get used now. I'd not put larger grips on a sport bike if track days were still my thing.

Believe it or not, my glove size is medium. But my dick size got my hands used to something larger.



OK, OK, it's more that in general riding a good amount of the time the pressure is just down onto the grips from above. These rope grips spread the pressure, create channels for circulation, and just generally feel good. Cramping up hands to grip smaller grips, or even not gripping them but still having those two thin rails of pressure in the palm of the hands, just doesn't work for me.

As an aside, a client of mine who was a cabby in New York for many, many years (and who, while retired, still carries his medallion around... instead of selling it for hundreds of thousands of dollars) has both hands clenched tight from the arthritis of clenching those thin little steering wheels all those years. (And a huge lump on his elbow from resting it on the car door window area I guess?)

My hands have been abused and used hard enough. I'm positive I'm going to have arthritis from non-motorcycling endeavors; I don't need to exacerbate it by gripping and man-handling the DR650 when the DR650 putt-putts around at pretty reasonable speeds. I know I don't use my bike as hard as some, so take that with a grain of salt. If I were on some really rugged course I may change my mind, but in my mind that would have to be a Motorcross or hare scramble course like what you were doing.

(My riding around here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP5_x68Bi-w&hd=1 )

But I ask you to consider this - many old-school larger diameter grips (like foam ones) would actually make your hands work out harder by trying to control through the 'mush' of the grips. Was that the case for your experience? Because, if so, the difference is that these very tightly would rope grips don't really have that much cushioning to grip through to gain control. The 'mush' just isn't there, but the comfort is.
I think you are in the .001 % who would ride with rope wrapped around your grips and say it was great. But this is the internets and others will now try it.

As long as it works,use it.
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:08 AM   #83136
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I think you are in the .001 % who would ride with rope wrapped around your grips and say it was great. But this is the internets and others will now try it.

As long as it works,use it.
.001% who would ride with it - or in the .001% of riders who have tried it?

Your post just before this stated you've never seen anyone do it, so it's not like many have even thought about trying it, yet you cannot argue that there is a market for those larger foam grips (that are worthless), plus some other larger grips in general, and that the ergonomic trend in car steering wheels has been larger and larger diameters for the hands. Compare a 1970 steering wheel to a 2014 average car, then compare that average car's wheel to a 2014's super-car's steering wheel. Granted, it's a different purpose, but like we've already talked about - most of us are not racing. Hell, the average ADV rider I've seen and ridden with rides at about 50% of the level I do with my DR650, and I do not ride hard. If it's comfort common ADV'ers want, then I'd suggest they try this. The rare true racer amongst us would disagree, I'm sure, in an effort to control the bike when in mid-air when getting huge air.

And, again, I shouldn't have to write this because I'm sure you read through that thread I created where I stated how I came to the idea, but plenty of people who rely on getting a good grip to hold on to have been wrapping cordage around their handles and controls for probably 100, or more, years - yet all of a sudden the world has to stop and explain itself to guys who come up with statements like "I've never seen that done."

One way or another, thanks so much for giving me some random percentage number of where I stand in the community. In some way I'm sure it will help me before I die. Meanwhile, some of the riders who read that thread I created on it are already using their versions of it.

And holy shit, Private Pyle, thanks for your permission to use it.
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Old 10-29-2013, 10:28 AM   #83137
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Is the 13tooth front as wide as a 525 at the countershaft? Do you notice any countershaft wear running it if it is not? Any crazy wear on the chain slider like some of the WR250R guys experience?

Your gearing setup seems to be exactly what im considering.
I haven't run it enough to realize any wear on the swingarm slider. I found a SunStar 13 tooth in 520 with the correct spline. Overall thickness is 9mm. It's stamped "SunStar 317".
I recall that the Sunstar part # is 31713. I believe it was for an 80's KLX 250. It is not drilled and tapped for use with the stock retainer. I ran the clip for 13,000 miles on my '96 and hadn't noticed any wear on the countershaft from sprocket movement. That was with 14 tooth sprockets in 520 sourced from Keintech.

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Old 10-29-2013, 10:36 AM   #83138
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Link missing Rusty. Did you mean to include this.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...291581&page=20
No, cuz I had never seen that before. Thanks for the link. I am not a windshield guy. But for free, I might cob something together. Good Ideas and plans on that thread.
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:08 AM   #83139
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I've never changed a tube on a motorcycle before. What is the basic process? Just so I'm not lost when I have to do it myself. Is it really as hard as y'all make it sound? Is this a good tool for the job?

http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0519/

Should I also get a tire iron? Would this be sufficiant tools for the job.
Those levers are what we were talking about before. They work great for me, but having a few other tools/supplies can make changing tires/tubes pretty easy once you have the technique down. I learned by watching a few youtube vids. I've changed a tire without any other levers besides those 2, but I usually prefer to have 3 levers. I carry 4, besides the 2 near-useless stubby ones in the OEM toolkit, even though I've successfully used JUST those stubby OEM ones on a front tire. A rear 17"er would be a real bear with the stubbbies though, IMO. The front 21"er wasn't too bad. The other 2 levers I carry are Motion Pro T6 combo levers...24mm and 12mm/13mm. I also carry other tools/supplies...BeadBuddyII, baby powder, valve-stem snake with valve-puller, mtn bike pump, and an EnduroStar Trailstand.
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:15 AM   #83140
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I haven't run it enough to realize any wear on the swingarm slider. I found a SunStar 13 tooth in 520 with the correct spline. Overall thickness is 9mm. It's stamped "SunStar 317".
I recall that the Sunstar part # is 31713. I believe it was for an 80's KLX 250. It is not drilled and tapped for use with the stock retainer. I ran the clip for 13,000 miles on my '96 and hadn't noticed any wear on the countershaft from sprocket movement. That was with 14 tooth sprockets in 520 sourced from Keintech.

hope that's helpful
Thanks very much for the info.

Coincidentally, I was coming here to ask if any of you had seen THIS?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FRONT-SPROCK...-/251365153720

It looks like a 13 tooth in 525 with the correct spline and bolt pattern, and it looks like it is thick at countershaft. I havent seen any sprocket claiming to be this from ProCycle or Keintech. For me, this very well might be the perfect solution for my SA trip.

Has anyone even heard of this ebay item before??
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:22 AM   #83141
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I've never changed a tube on a motorcycle before. What is the basic process? Just so I'm not lost when I have to do it myself. Is it really as hard as y'all make it sound? Is this a good tool for the job?

http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0519/

Should I also get a tire iron? Would this be sufficiant tools for the job.
read Neduro's thread
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50717

and yes that is a great tool to own if you have no tools at this moment and have not changed a tire. breaking a bead can often be on of the hardest things to do with some tire designs. you might want to add 1 more tire lever in the mix (that tool offers 2) as i found having 3 is key at times.

the biggest trick to mounting is to not pinch the tube by mistake (slightly inflate the tube so it does not fold on itself and wedge in the bead area or get nicked by a tire iron & use some baby powder) and to push the already mounted bead side of the tire down into the rim well (center dished area) so you gain length & room to finish mounting the tire bead onto the rim. those that have problems getting the last bit of tire on the rim often forget to push the opposite side of the tire bead into the well!

these help a ton out in the field
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=538235
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=380877 - I use this one

biggest tip i can offer you: 1st practice changing tires at home!!!
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:22 AM   #83142
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.001% who would ride with it - or in the .001% of riders who have tried it?

Your post just before this stated you've never seen anyone do it, so it's not like many have even thought about trying it, yet you cannot argue that there is a market for those larger foam grips (that are worthless), plus some other larger grips in general, and that the ergonomic trend in car steering wheels has been larger and larger diameters for the hands. Compare a 1970 steering wheel to a 2014 average car, then compare that average car's wheel to a 2014's super-car's steering wheel. Granted, it's a different purpose, but like we've already talked about - most of us are not racing. Hell, the average ADV rider I've seen and ridden with rides at about 50% of the level I do with my DR650, and I do not ride hard. If it's comfort common ADV'ers want, then I'd suggest they try this. The rare true racer amongst us would disagree, I'm sure, in an effort to control the bike when in mid-air when getting huge air.

And, again, I shouldn't have to write this because I'm sure you read through that thread I created where I stated how I came to the idea, but plenty of people who rely on getting a good grip to hold on to have been wrapping cordage around their handles and controls for probably 100, or more, years - yet all of a sudden the world has to stop and explain itself to guys who come up with statements like "I've never seen that done."

One way or another, thanks so much for giving me some random percentage number of where I stand in the community. In some way I'm sure it will help me before I die. Meanwhile, some of the riders who read that thread I created on it are already using their versions of it.

And holy shit, Private Pyle, thanks for your permission to use it.
I did race for 10 years or more by chance,but I have a hard time seeing how a good grip can be had by wrapping one's hands around giganto grips,or how its more comfortable because its big,but you say it is so it is for you. And yes if some people see something more then once on the internet they will try it.

A person mostly lounges in a car,power steering,not much to do really.
Luxury and comfort are what people want. I also have yet to see any steering wheels with grips as big as yours except the Pep-Boys fleece wraps maybe. I get Car and Driver every month,I dont know why but it keeps coming,no steering wheels anywhere near that fat coming down the pike.

Things happen on a bike though,sometimes quickly,I need to have my fingers wrapped around so as to hang on for dear life at times.
I know I couldnt do so with 2" plus diameter grips.+ my hands/fingers would cramp up quick.

I enjoy dirt much more then street and have a hard time going slow,that may be the difference.

But yes,you do have my permission to use them Just like the guys who put the 18" ft wheels on their KLR's along with a huge tire,its what ever you like. I do think some Sting Ray bars might go well with the rope grips,more relaxing out on the road.
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:55 AM   #83143
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In light of that ebay find and the fact I am due for a new chain, I have a question I hope one of you 520 fellers can answer.

Im thinking of going 525 for wear, but length wise 520 and 525 is the same. I know it was possible for me to run the following configurations:

525 112 link chain 45 tooth rear with 14,15, and 16 tooth front sprockets. Proper chain tension could be accomplished with this setup.

525 114 link chain 48 tooth rear with 14,15, and 16 tooth front sprockets.
Proper chain tension could be accomplished with this setup.

Question:
Would 525 110 link chain 43 tooth rear with 13, 14, and 15 tooth fit? I THINK Rusty Rocket has this setup now in 520 only im guessing he has a 42 tooth rear?

Basically, is 15/42 gear very near 0 on the chain snail adjusters giving me the necessary adjustment for the smaller sprockets? Will a 43 tooth rear make a big difference?
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:58 AM   #83144
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Thanks very much for the info.

Coincidentally, I was coming here to ask if any of you had seen THIS?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FRONT-SPROCK...-/251365153720

It looks like a 13 tooth in 525 with the correct spline and bolt pattern, and it looks like it is thick at countershaft. I havent seen any sprocket claiming to be this from ProCycle or Keintech. For me, this very well might be the perfect solution for my SA trip.

Has anyone even heard of this ebay item before??
PBI-663-13 I think Keintech and maybe ProCycle both sell PBI sprockets.

Look at the second pic in that Ebay sale. It's an 18 tooth sprocket with only 2 tapped holes. Be careful. Take that PBI # and call Keintech or ProCycle and you might even get a better price.
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Old 10-29-2013, 12:06 PM   #83145
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PBI-663-13 I think Keintech and maybe ProCycle both sell PBI sprockets.

Look at the second pic in that Ebay sale. It's an 18 tooth sprocket with only 2 tapped holes. Be careful. Take that PBI # and call Keintech or ProCycle and you might even get a better price.
I spoke with Jesse yesterday and he has 14/15/16 tooth 525 fronts and the same for 520. ProCycle has the same for 525, but also has 13 and 17 for 520.

I hear you on being careful which is why im posting here- I would figure you guys know more since youve been around this crap longer so its a legitimate question

That said, the sprocket looks identical to the sprockets I get from Jesse (PBI as you said) only with 13 teeth and a clearly shown 13t stamped in the side. Im going to call Jesse and see what he says about it. It looks like this sprocket would work with a clip or ProCycles 14tooth custom retainer clip which I have.
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