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Old 10-22-2013, 06:55 PM   #31
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In reality he did not! It is up to you as a driver to not run into things which are in front of you. It doesn't matter why blue car was stopped. Motorcycle BEHIND blue car would have been severely hurt or killed if he wasn't off to the side. Black truck driver was at fault. I wonder if black truck driver would have just mowed down a pedestrian crossing the road too. There is no excuse for black truck driver not to stop.
I was rearended in my pickup while sitting stopped waiting to turn left at an intersection. The idiot driver who hit me was changing a CD and dropped it. His "excuse" was "He didn't see me". Sound familiar?

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Old 11-07-2013, 07:33 AM   #32
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Wow.. That's just ... Wow. Thanks for posting that. I don't usually think about moving to the side on two lane roads, but I will now!

In a similar fashion, this video was the one that taught me to always place myself where I have a car to take the hit in cities.

http://youtu.be/o7D0BTyJBeM

Sorry if this link is not good. Using the stupid phone app.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:14 PM   #33
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Quaint regional custom. I don't understand paying more respect to a dead person than was paid to them when they were living.
This. I don't get it. it isn't common around here.
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Old 11-09-2013, 03:49 AM   #34
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I've noticed that more than ever around here (NNJ) people that see a meat wagon, fire truck, cop car w/ lights on coming the other way, will almost crash their car to get off the road and come to a complete stop. It matters not how much room there is for the emergency vehicle, as in THE WHOLE OTHER SIDE, they'll still do the same shit.

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Old 11-09-2013, 05:14 AM   #35
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I've noticed that more than ever around here (NNJ) people that see a meat wagon, fire truck, cop car w/ lights on coming the other way, will almost crash their car to get off the road and come to a complete stop. It matters not how much room there is for the emergency vehicle, as in THE WHOLE OTHER SIDE, they'll still do the same shit.

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Had one yesterday, in the city. Guy in a pick up pulls over, there's an ambulance coming but he's still many blocks away. I roll on by, the guy gets all beligerent on his horn, pulls back into the road and tries to catch up. What a diqwad.

The whole stopping for ambulances thing is rediculous too. Just get the fuck out of the way, don't block anyplace they may want to go, pay attention, give him space. Everyone stopping clogs it all up.
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Old 11-09-2013, 08:28 AM   #36
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I was pulled over by a game warden once while I was riding a motorcycle. He had slowed unexpectedly in front of me then pulled onto the shoulder and then into a gravel parking lot. It was a 35 mph zone entering a small town. I went around him and about a half mile on down the road he came up behind me with his lights on.

"Do you know why I stopped you", he said.

"No", I replied.

He went on to tell me it was the law that I had to "yield" to a funeral procession.

"What funeral procession", I asked.

"The one that went by when I stopped in the parking lot", he said.

I said, "I didn't see a funeral procession, I was busy watching you and trying to figure out what you were doing, you gave no signal.

He let me off with a warning.

It must have been the shortest funeral procession in the world. A dead person with no friends or family.

I think the law he was referring to requires a motorist to yield at intersections, not oncoming highway traffic. It is a common practice though in the rural areas around here as well as in city traffic when escorted. Not so much on state highways where traffic is going 55 or 60 mph.

I too hate those drivers who automatically stop any time they hear a siren. Invariably it makes matters worse than if they just paid attention and moved out of the way while maintaining forward momentum. I've seen traffic stop in all directions at an intersection where an ambulance was trying to turn and totally immobilize traffic for 15 or 20 seconds.

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Old 11-09-2013, 10:48 AM   #37
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The only mistake the bike made, was stopping period! Plenty of room to go by the blue car on the shoulder. As far as the other two bikes they should have been long gone!
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Old 11-09-2013, 11:34 AM   #38
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That was very scary.
I had something very similar happen to me a few weeks back, the only difference was the truck got stopped before hitting the car infront of me. There were two cars stopped waiting to make a left in front of me, I didn't come to a complete stop because that's how you get hit, I rolled slowly up behind with the bike pointed to the right shoulder for a quick exit and sure enough I look back at the truck behind me and he's coming fast, then he locks the brakes and I darted up beside the car in front. The truck got stopped inches from the rear bumper of the car, right where I wouldv'e been sitting.
I've heard people say you can't react fast enough to get out of the way (I think it was someone on here), that's BS, you absolutely can react fast enough if you're watching your mirrors, you've already got a plan of escape and you are in gear and moving (even if you are just creaping).
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Old 11-09-2013, 01:35 PM   #39
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A couple of years ago, I had a similar close call. I was on the Interstate heading home during evening rush hour traffic. As is frequent for where I live, traffic had slowed to the point of stop-and-go. I was in the left lane (so I could use the left shoulder as an out if needed) when traffic ahead slowed to a completed stop. As I was slowing and approaching near stop myself, I scanned my mirrors and didn't like what I saw.

The SUV approaching behind me was showing little to no sign of slowing. I got off the brakes and twisted the throttle and bailed to the left shoulder, moving forward of the cars now to my right. As I watched in my mirror, the SUV's nose dived and the tires started smoking as the driver attempted to avoid hitting the stopped traffic in front of it. I, however, was now safe about three cars ahead on the left shoulder.........

.........NOT!!!!!!

As I was again slowing to the point of near stop, this time on the left shoulder, the sports car behind the rapidly decelerating SUV suddenly became aware they were closing on slowed/stopped traffic. While still looking in my right rear view mirror, I see the sports car suddenly dive out of the left lane and onto the shoulder and head straight towards me at what looked to be fairly close to the posted speed limit of 65 mph!!!

I again got off the brakes and opened the throttle and took off down the shoulder. I was at least 15 cars forward of where I had originally been when I was last in the left lane, when I backed off the throttle and slowed to a stop. Both the SUV and the sports car managed to stop without hitting anything, but both vehicles ended up in or passed through the two spots where I was about to stop. ( I can only imagine what evil thoughts the car drivers were having of the hooligan motorcycle rider racing by on the left shoulder.)

The lesson here is don't stop checking the mirrors until everything behind you has stopped moving, even if you think you have just successfully evaded one threat.
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Old 11-09-2013, 01:43 PM   #40
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That was very scary.

I've heard people say you can't react fast enough to get out of the way (I think it was someone on here), that's BS, you absolutely can react fast enough if you're watching your mirrors, you've already got a plan of escape and you are in gear and moving (even if you are just creaping).
I don't know what context the phase "you can't react fast enough to get out of the way" was used in when you read it here. That phrase, in the proper context, can also be taken to mean.... there is no reaction considered too fast when trying to get out of harms way.

You are correct with watching the mirrors and being prepared to escape; you managed to do it as have I. Good job on your escape.

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Old 11-10-2013, 09:47 AM   #41
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.........NOT!!!!!!

As I was again slowing to the point of near stop, this time on the left shoulder, the sports car behind the rapidly decelerating SUV suddenly became aware they were closing on slowed/stopped traffic. While still looking in my right rear view mirror, I see the sports car suddenly dive out of the left lane and onto the shoulder and head straight towards me at what looked to be fairly close to the posted speed limit of 65 mph!!!

I
Glad you made it out of there OK, I see this a lot around here (texters), cars diving off to the shoulder at the last second. If I take the shoulder I keep going, also a good time to start splitting if you have allowed yourself plenty of following distance and the traffic has settled down ahead.
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Old 11-10-2013, 11:05 AM   #42
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Was trailering two snowmobiles and another in the bed of the truck in Minneapolis when I hear sirens behind me. This ambulance is just fighting traffic as nobody would slow and move over until the ambulance was right behind them. I decided to keep going and take my exit which was a block of two ahead and judging the speed of the him and I were going to end up at the exit at the same time. I gas it a little and figure the best bet is to get this beast completely out of his way. Sure enough, he just cleared the last car a few cars lengths behind me when I get to the exit. Well low and behold he needed the exit too and now I'm the guy holding him up, with nowhere to go.

I just figure that if someone's life is hanging in the balance who am I to possibly slow them from getting the care they need? I know if I was in the back of that thing I would want Moses to come down and part the cars for me if he could, so now I get out of the way. I usually stop when they are about 2 blocks away, I figure it gives anybody who is stuck out in the lane a chance to get over before the ambulance gets there.

In the end, if the law is to 'move over and stop' and that barely happens, what would happen if the law was just to 'make room'?
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Old 11-11-2013, 05:35 PM   #43
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Was trailering two snowmobiles and another in the bed of the truck in Minneapolis when I hear sirens behind me. This ambulance is just fighting traffic as nobody would slow and move over until the ambulance was right behind them. I decided to keep going and take my exit which was a block of two ahead and judging the speed of the him and I were going to end up at the exit at the same time. I gas it a little and figure the best bet is to get this beast completely out of his way. Sure enough, he just cleared the last car a few cars lengths behind me when I get to the exit. Well low and behold he needed the exit too and now I'm the guy holding him up, with nowhere to go.

I just figure that if someone's life is hanging in the balance who am I to possibly slow them from getting the care they need? I know if I was in the back of that thing I would want Moses to come down and part the cars for me if he could, so now I get out of the way. I usually stop when they are about 2 blocks away, I figure it gives anybody who is stuck out in the lane a chance to get over before the ambulance gets there.

In the end, if the law is to 'move over and stop' and that barely happens, what would happen if the law was just to 'make room'?
If the law was to get out of the way they would have few problems. The stopping is ridiculous.
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:31 PM   #44
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I hope I'm not sorry for getting involved in this discussion that keeps coming back in a new form...


Those of you proposing going around on the right are missing the people on the edge of the road there. I can't tell if it's two motorcycles on the shoulder or not, but it looks to me like the car driver didn't feel like he could safely squeeze between the traffic on the left and the people on the shoulder on the right. And going off of the right side of the road would put you right into the trees.

What we need is for people to take driving more seriously and actually pay attention to what is happening in front of them. And based on this video, checking your mirrors looks like a good thing to do as well.
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