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Old 11-13-2013, 08:56 AM   #91
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I suspect any rider the size of Nicky will have difficulty adjusting to the small size of the RCV1000R. To be honest, I question whether Nicky will ever overcome that challenge.

Not sure what the conditions or circumstances at the track are currently, but last report I saw had Nicky +1.8 behind Marquez and in 13 position.

I realize Nicky is very methodical in his approach, and has a myriad of things to do. I also know it's only the first test, but I hope Nicky can get a lot closer to the front before the end of the day. I'd like to believe there's reason for hope until the next test session.
Please see post #69.
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Old 11-13-2013, 09:33 AM   #92
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Ok...it was 12th position and Moronic made post 89 as I was composing mine.
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Old 11-13-2013, 09:58 AM   #93
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Smith is really looking good. It's been a tough year for him with MM as an example.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:11 AM   #94
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Ok...it was 12th position and Moronic made post 89 as I was composing mine.
Its all good. My point is just, in terms of Nicky, I am personally not too worried about the early testing. He'll get suited to the new bike, both for sizing and how a "good" bike handles and runs. After all, he did win the championship in 2006, with a bike, a Honda, that was set up for someone of Pedrosa's size.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:30 AM   #95
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Its all good. My point is just, in terms of Nicky, I am personally not too worried about the early testing. He'll get suited to the new bike, both for sizing and how a "good" bike handles and runs. After all, he did win the championship in 2006, with a bike, a Honda, that was set up for someone of Pedrosa's size.
I wouldn't expect too much on a 3rd rate Honda. Top 10 would be a good result.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:57 AM   #96
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I wouldn't expect too much on a 3rd rate Honda. Top 10 would be a good result.


Factory Honda
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Factory Honda
Factory Yamaha
Satellite Yamaha
Satellite Honda
Satellite Honda
Satellite Yamaha
Factory Ducati
Factory Ducati
Factory Ducati
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* - Somewhere about there is where Nicky, Colin, a Ducati, and Aleix will be battling, so yes I agree, a top 10 finish for the "open" prototypes seems to be where the 2nd tier battles will take place, unless the TT's get slower.

That's how I see it.
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:06 AM   #97
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I expect the Proddy Honda's to be faster than the Ducs, battling for positions with the satellite Honda's, but behind the Factory Yami's and Honda's, and satellite Yami's.

But who knows, the fastest and best handling bike this year, is not necessarily the same the following year. Sometimes, but not always.
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:47 AM   #98
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Factory Honda
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Factory Yamaha
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Satellite Honda
Satellite Honda
Satellite Yamaha
Factory Ducati
Factory Ducati
Factory Ducati

Somewhere about here is where Nicky, Colin, a Ducati, and Aleix will be battling, so yes I agree, a top 10 finish for the "open" prototypes seems to be where the 2nd tier battles will take place, unless the TT's get slower.

That's how I see it.

Yeah, pretty much, but that's still ahead of the Red Devils.
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:57 AM   #99
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Nick spent five years learning how to ride the Duc TT. Now he has to unlearn all that, and relearn how to ride a bike that operates the way it is supposed to. Patience grasshoppers.
Plus there is only one Honda for all of them to test. Once he gets his own copy it can be better set up for his size and style.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:17 PM   #100
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Factory Honda
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Factory Honda
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Satellite Yamaha
Satellite Honda
Satellite Honda
Satellite Yamaha
Factory Ducati
Factory Ducati
Factory Ducati
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* - Somewhere about there is where Nicky, Colin, a Ducati, and Aleix will be battling, so yes I agree, a top 10 finish for the "open" prototypes seems to be where the 2nd tier battles will take place, unless the TT's get slower.

That's how I see it.
I expect A. Espargaro to do a bit better on the Forward Yamaha than the proddy Hondas, at least initially. Maybe even taking it the Satellite Yams, on occasion.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:33 PM   #101
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I expect A. Espargaro to do a bit better on the Forward Yamaha than the proddy Hondas, at least initially. Maybe even taking it the Satellite Yams, on occasion.
It seems your expectation is sound, perhaps due to the rider, or is it due to the Forward engine being essentially the current Tech 3 mill hobbled by Dorna ECU, versus the RCV satellite mill (less pneumatic valvetrain) also hobbled by Dorna ECU?.... meaning the Yamaha "open" bike may be a better base engine ? I noticed you didn't mention Colin specifically.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:40 PM   #102
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Is Dorna continuing to develop the spec ECU software, or is it fixed for the season as of now (or at some point in the future)?

It seems that over race distance, the open bikes should (theoretically) have an effective power advantage, as they can run a higher-power, lower-efficiency mapping for more of the race versus the factory/satellite bikes. Even though the factory teams can presumably out-tune the open teams, a 20% difference in fuel allocation means that the open bikes can be 10% less efficient and still more powerful (I think)....and the times posted show only a 2% difference in single-lap times, from Marquez to Hayden.

I'm hoping that we'll see less of an obvious pecking order based on machinery and more varied results from week to week next year, but maybe I'm just an optimist.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:48 PM   #103
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Smith is really looking good. It's been a tough year for him with MM as an example.
I hope Smith progresses.

It got a bit frustrating with him in Moto2, he seemed unable or unwilling to aggressively re-pass when he got mugged. Always seemed to settle for 5th or 6th place.

He's been top 10 on the Tech-3 bike, but - as a fan - I'd like to see some fight out of him.
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It seems your expectation is sound, perhaps due to the rider, or is it due to the Forward engine being essentially the current Tech 3 mill hobbled by Dorna ECU, versus the RCV satellite mill (less pneumatic valvetrain) also hobbled by Dorna ECU?.... meaning the Yamaha "open" bike may be a better base engine ? I noticed you didn't mention Colin specifically.
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