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Old 11-20-2013, 07:28 PM   #1
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JIS vs Phillips - BS or Real? Once and For All Video

Guys, I have cut my demonstration video down to 3 minutes. If you don't believe there is a difference, if you still have doubts - burn 3 minutes watching this and you'll be surprised.
Video is at the bottom of the page and on my video page.

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Old 11-21-2013, 05:43 PM   #2
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i've beena JIS believer for a few years now, not hype.
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Old 12-01-2013, 10:08 AM   #3
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These Vessel screwdrivers are nice and they do work better than Phillips on my Japanese bikes - less effort required and less screw damage. Gordon is a good guy also.
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Old 12-02-2013, 03:09 PM   #4
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:05 AM   #5
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Only discovered JIS drivers a couple of years ago; bought a 4-driver set and am now a Believer. I'd saved a lot of frustration, time and screws had I know about JIS many moons ago.
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Old 12-03-2013, 11:13 AM   #6
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On Christmas list. However, once phillips/JIS screws are removed, they immediately get replaced with allen head capscrews.
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Old 12-24-2013, 07:42 AM   #7
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Old 12-24-2013, 08:14 AM   #8
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Philips #1 and #2 are somewhat close to JIS, but smaller sizes, commonly found in cameras and such are so different that Philips drivers are unusable.
There is another Philips like driver- Pozidriv, it is commonly found in European things, IKEA furniture is a prime example.

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Old 12-24-2013, 08:18 AM   #9
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JIS is a reality, been using them on Japanese equipment almost 20 years ago. Did a lot of service on photofinishing equipment and is enough difference from a standard phillips.
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Old 12-25-2013, 10:14 AM   #10
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JIS is a frustrating thing developed to confuse us. It's real alright.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:45 AM   #11
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JIS is a frustrating thing developed to confuse us
that would actually be phillips. Since it was designed much later to be used in manufacturing.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:56 AM   #12
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I think they each have their place but it would be nice if you could tell the difference at a glance
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Henry Phillips invented and patented the Phillips® design in 1936. The Phillips® design was a great solution for the automobile production lines since it was designed to “cam-out” after a certain torque was reached to prevent over-tightening of the screw. Another advantage over the use of flat head screws was that the Phillips® self-centering design allowed operators to engage the tip of the driver into the screw head very quickly and easily.
Japanese engineers developed their own cross-point design similar to that of the Phillips®. The Japanese cross-point drivers also have the self-centering and quick tool and screw engagement, however the “JIS” (Japanese Industrial Standard) design allowed torque and over-tightening to be controlled by the operator and not at the head of the screw. This key difference is why Phillips screwdrivers cannot properly engage "JIS” (Japanese Industrial Standard) screws.
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Old 12-26-2013, 05:28 PM   #13
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well look at that,,, i thought the cross point was already out for a while from everybody who made one, and phillips invented the anti cam out design for production.
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:27 PM   #14
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Hey, you guys that aren't quite ready to believe there is a difference - just watch my 3 minute video. We'll both agree that I'm no movie star and perhaps shouldn't be allowed near a camera ever again, but the demonstration says it all when it comes to comparing Phillips to JIS performance.

Mike, get those things dirty already!

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