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Old 11-27-2013, 06:41 AM   #121
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Anyone who says a drz fork is as a good as modern usd forks is simply wrong.

A fork like a modern Showa or Wp or whatever is soooo much better. Heck just being a usd makes the front end tighter feeling. The adjustable valving when setup properly....well there simply is no comparison.

Suspension is the key!
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Old 11-27-2013, 01:39 PM   #122
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Anyone who says a drz fork is as a good as modern usd forks is simply wrong.
Spread the word so all DRZ forks are MINE

my 2 cents,

Go to a suspension guru and get information, if you like his story let him do the job.
The suspension you get should be custom build/ tweaked for you're bike not a spring or shock that "fits"
Get a pro who likes you're bike so he will do the best he can.
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Old 11-27-2013, 03:16 PM   #123
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Anyone who says a drz fork is as a good as modern usd forks is simply wrong.
+1 and same for pretty much everthing else you said.

Here's the thing
After you deal with the front end, sort the frame and then ride your airhead hard offroad you quickly realise the rear end is the limiting factor.
Anything better than a DRZ front end dialled into close enough becomes overkill.

No amount of tuning on your Ohlins or other brand rear shock can overcome the design features of a mono or paralever rear end.
It is a masive amount of unsprung weight bouncing around even after you solve the limited travel problem.

Cheap and easy to work on is the airhead philosophy.


P.S. I run a set of Showa USDs with adjustments.
When I wear them out I will be looking of a DRZ front end
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Old 11-28-2013, 01:04 AM   #124
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Spread the word so all DRZ forks are MINE

my 2 cents,

Go to a suspension guru and get information, if you like his story let him do the job.
The suspension you get should be custom build/ tweaked for you're bike not a spring or shock that "fits"
Get a pro who likes you're bike so he will do the best he can.
Leave me one... ;-)

I really oughtta go talk to Bas sometime about sensible options for the front end. The purple rear end is very nice indeed, but the stock fork is a bit harsh with the prog springs. And with the stock springs it dives like Cousteau. ;-)
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Old 11-28-2013, 06:28 AM   #125
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I really oughtta go talk to Bas sometime about sensible options for the front end. The purple rear end is very nice indeed, but the stock fork is a bit harsh with the prog springs. And with the stock springs it dives like Cousteau. ;-)
USD vs Conventionals aside - IMHO these are different bikes once you upgrade the front end.

The Hyperpro Alphen guys set-up my WP50s and they are really plush. I think it helps that they ride airheads

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Old 11-30-2013, 11:30 AM   #126
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After you deal with the front end, sort the frame and then ride your airhead hard offroad you quickly realise the rear end is the limiting factor.
Anything better than a DRZ front end dialled into close enough becomes overkill.

No amount of tuning on your Ohlins or other brand rear shock can overcome the design features of a mono or paralever rear end.
It is a masive amount of unsprung weight bouncing around even after you solve the limited travel problem.
In't Rucksta ultimately right in saying that you need to view the argument from an airhead's perspective rather than what type of fork design is best in a vacuum.

I have got to believe that the unsprung weight of the shaft drive and the rubbery frame take away much of the theoretical advantage of USDs.

From my perspective, if I was solely performance focused - I would have converted a 950 Adventure into a offroad beast.

Instead I am daydreaming of DRZ forks for my ride
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Old 11-30-2013, 11:47 AM   #127
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In't Rucksta ultimately right in saying that you need to view the argument from an airhead's perspective rather than what type of fork design is best in a vacuum.

I have got to believe that the unsprung weight of the shaft drive and the rubbery frame take away much of the theoretical advantage of USDs.

From my perspective, if I was solely performance focused - I would have converted a 950 Adventure into a offroad beast.

Instead I am daydreaming of DRZ forks for my ride
The unsprung weight of the drz forks is less than that from a WP48 usd fork
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Old 12-06-2013, 10:18 PM   #128
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OK- SO I have sprung for a set of 2007 DRZ400S forks, wheel, brakes, the whole front end. The Rooney frame is built to the DRZ specs, at 52.5mm or .25 or whatever a lot of them are.. And Mr Paul is willing to share specs, so this is where I'm going, damn the torpedos

I also sent the deposit, so I'm committed.


Also. I resigned at the theater to fuck off as a full time dad and trophy husband. No shit.

So its been an interesting couple of weeks.

Also, the GF says we can fix up her '74 R75/6 and get that out the door, and use the proceeds to buy the frame. It ran when we parked it. Needs a battery and a carb cleaning, and probably fix that under-tank master cylinder problem. That should be it.. I know the rear splines are good, and it ran smarter than the R60 back when we only the two bikes...
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:04 PM   #129
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Riiight - so now us other poor saps will be working while you're in the workshop playing with motorbikes all day.

You suck

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Old 12-07-2013, 12:38 AM   #130
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I resigned at the theater to fuck off as a full time dad and trophy husband. No shit.
Welcome to the club. 'cept I don't have any kids or a wife. ... but I'll need to start looking for a job in the next couple of months.
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Old 12-07-2013, 06:54 AM   #131
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Wow. You're still going to be Stagehand, right?

Where's the R65 block?
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:57 AM   #132
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Riiight - so now us other poor saps will be working while you're in the workshop playing with motorbikes all day.

You suck


yeah what he said..
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:52 AM   #133
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Also. I resigned at the theater to fuck off as a full time dad and trophy husband. No shit.

Also, the GF says we can fix up her ...
DAMN Dude!! No more work, Trophy husband, AND you get to have a GF

I can see it now...Stagehands Big Bike Offroad School


I'm so jealous!!
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Old 12-07-2013, 12:22 PM   #134
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DAMN Dude!! No more work, Trophy husband, AND you get to have a GF

I can see it now...Stagehands Big Bike Offroad School


I'm so jealous!!
Haha, oh man that would be the ticket, that's for sure- haha- still using GF and Wife interchangeably. Same net effect. One woman. :-)
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Old 12-07-2013, 12:25 PM   #135
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Wow. You're still going to be Stagehand, right?

Where's the R65 block?
It would be impossible to remove the stagehand from me.. I was hard wired at the factory. The only difference is now: I don't have a steady paycheck. The other side is: I am now able to entertain creative projects in a new paradigm. My own particular idiom, to quote Monty python. Now, it gets REALLY weird


Te block is patiently awaiting the generous goodwill of the current owner to ship.


I have to get through the nutcracker but my last official day is Dec 20. That's 15.5 years in this position, with this place. Am now open for serious business.
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