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Old 12-23-2013, 01:35 PM   #811
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Going to mount the unit on my 450 for some trail riding at Tahuya on Thursday. See how she does compared to the Etrex 30.
Depending upon what features you want to use, it may do just fine or you may want to keep your eTrex handy.

Or, use a third-party Navigation App like Backcountry Navigator or OSMAnd+. Both navigate Tracks very well.
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Old 12-23-2013, 01:49 PM   #812
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I remember reading the big Montana thread when that unit first came out and thinking "crap, this thing has too many problems for me" but then time passed and patches were released, and I eventually bought one and enjoy it.

So far, though, it sounds like the Monterra was release in a lot worse condition than the Montana was. Is my perception accurate?
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Unfortunately, yes, your perception is accurate.
Crap. My 276C is looking better every day.
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Old 12-23-2013, 01:53 PM   #813
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Depending upon what features you want to use, it may do just fine or you may want to keep your eTrex handy.
Aside from being far larger, the Monterra's not a lot better than the eTrex line at displaying maps, imho.



I found this cute little eTrex 20 at a pawn shop the other day. It was at a price I could not afford to ignore.
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Old 12-23-2013, 07:59 PM   #814
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Here's a couple of comparison pictures.

The Monterra loses most map detail above the 800 meter zoom level, but the eTrex keeps this map detail right out to 5km.




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Old 12-23-2013, 08:16 PM   #815
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That's been my biggest irritation with the 3 GPSs I've had. If I zoom in close enough to see detail, I lose my orientation within a few direction changes. I thought I'd read that the Montana fixed that and was hoping the Monterra did too.

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Old 12-23-2013, 08:33 PM   #816
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The Montana does have better detail than the Monterra, but it depends on the map. CNNA loses detail over 1.2k, but the old maps like Canada Enhanced Basemap and I think Roads and Recreation show back roads to the 5km zoom level.

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Old 12-24-2013, 09:35 AM   #817
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Map detail on the GPS (or the computer) is a function of the map rendering software not the Map data typically. Yes, certain map data is coded in the map to show between certain zoom levels (like POI's and sometimes road types) but most road detail is available to the rendering software at any zoom level. Garmin determines how much detail they want to show based upon their view of how you should use the device and the amount of coding investment they want to make upfront of sales. When Garmin releases a new device these days (the last 6-7yrs), they typically start out with map detail showing or not showing at the current levels of the Monterra (0.5mi/0.8km) -- the Montana started the same way. Only customer complaints managed to get this enhanced a little on the Montana. There is no technical reason why we can't see secondary and tertiary-road detail out to 3mi/5km on a device with this screen resolution and CPU/GPU hardware except that Garmin does not want to invest in the coding to do so.
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Old 12-24-2013, 10:08 AM   #818
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By the way, you do have some small advantage with the Monterra rendering software due to the Android OS control of the GPU. Here are four screenshots that correspond to the four FONT sizes available in the Display settings. Notice how the Font size effects the map area that is shown on the screen.






And the Montana for comparison:

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Old 12-24-2013, 10:52 AM   #819
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Great , I like to see the roads better.
One thing thats great about the Monterra is the overlay part. I am currently overlaying the global recreation map on City Navigator and that gives a great view of mountains etc.
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:04 AM   #820
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Great , I like to see the roads better.
One thing thats great about the Monterra is the overlay part. I am currently overlaying the global recreation map on City Navigator and that gives a great view of mountains etc.
Not sure I'm familiar with the "global recreation map". Can you give some additional details: Part No.?
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:18 AM   #821
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There is no technical reason why we can't see secondary and tertiary-road detail out to 3mi/5km on a device with this screen resolution and CPU/GPU hardware except that Garmin does not want to invest in the coding to do so.
Garmin picked a poor way to treat a high end GPS (in my economy).
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Old 12-24-2013, 01:18 PM   #822
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Unfortunately, yes, your perception is accurate.
So, Dan, is your recommendation to stick with the Montana for now?

If I understand the above posts in this thread correctly, the Monterra won't calculate imported routes. Having a GPS that won't recalc routes created in BC is a deal killer for me. Plus, I'm pretty satisfied with the Montana for my needs (with a 60CSx for a backup).
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So, Dan, is your recommendation to stick with the Montana for now?

If I understand the above posts in this thread correctly, the Monterra won't calculate imported routes. Having a GPS that won't recalc routes created in BC is a deal killer for me. Plus, I'm pretty satisfied with the Montana for my needs (with a 60CSx for a backup).
Howdy Tim,

I don't think you would be pleased with the current way the Monterra treats Routes transferred to the device. Stay with the Montana and check in here now and then, I'll let everyone know if the Monterra get's "fixed".
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Old 12-24-2013, 02:15 PM   #824
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Howdy Tim,

I don't think you would be pleased with the current way the Monterra treats Routes transferred to the device. Stay with the Montana and check in here now and then, I'll let everyone know if the Monterra get's "fixed".
Thanks, Dan. I check in on this thread periodically, so I should catch any 'fixes'.

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Not sure I'm familiar with the "global recreation map". Can you give some additional details: Part No.?
Sorry, I mean European Recreational map:

http://www.garmin.com/uk/european-map-coverage
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