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Old 01-11-2014, 04:03 AM   #6556
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Pos. N° Name Mark Time variation Penalty
42 #117 MEERU (EST) HONDA 31:32:37 08:24:37 01:00:00
65 #133 TRIISA (EST) HONDA 39:52:40 16:44:40 02:15:00


On stage 5 Tom have problems with famous Honda ignition coil after WP 3. He changes the coil and continues. That help for a while afterwards it recur and he must wait and cool down the engine Top of coil issues he run short of engine oil but get it more from some competitor. Just 5 km before special stage finish he run out of gasoline but was able to get some and make the SS 13:29:00. He get to Tucuman bivy at 4:00 and get some rest and star to SS 6 at 06:00. He will be doing engine change during the rest day to make sure he gone have fresh piece of ore the rest of the race.
Small correction Capo. Toomas didn't run out of gas. His engine failed completely 5kms before the end of SS5. He pushed the bike towards the end of stage until he reached another biker who was out of gas. Tom gave him gas and he towed Tom to finish line. The engine was changed overnight while Toomas took a nap of 1 hour before heading for SS6.

Toomas Triisa #133 working on his bike in the middle of Stage5 @ 0:35 (I failed to embed the video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-L1JfoOKzo

I really like France 4 for covering the amateur side of Dakar. Too bad I can't understand a word.
Go Estonian Dakar Team #117 Mart Meeru and #133 Toomas Triisa

Really sorry for Eric, ride in peace man. I hope you meet Meoni out there and you'll have one helluva ride together with many others we've lost...
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Old 01-11-2014, 04:10 AM   #6557
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Great post Pyndon, thanks. Your episodes sound pretty scary and illustrate how things can go sideways quickly.

Like you, I'm very sad about the loss of Mr. Palante. I see that there are great risks being met throughout the days that can end in tragedy.

Do you think that Eric's entry as a Malle Moto was a contributing factor towards him not being found until the next day? If you had fallen out of touch during the rally, your dad would miss you and have made sure that you were ok even if you had to spend the night out on course. Is there a buddy system within the ranks of Malle Moto riders or others?

I don't know what was going on with the Organization during the time between his stoppage on course and the next morning so i'm not trying to stir the pot while his friends and family come to grips with the loss of their loved one.

Peace to Eric and Strength to his family.
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Old 01-11-2014, 04:18 AM   #6558
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Great post Lyndon. You and Ned are heroes of mine for your riding accomplishments. I know from experience in marathon racing that even though you are well trained and properly prepared, things can go dangerously bad given the right circumstances. I'm an old guy now, but still riding and I greatly appreciate your insight from having been there and having success at Dakar.
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Old 01-11-2014, 04:21 AM   #6559
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France 4 Coverage

Everyone is raving about France 4's coverage - has anyone seen if they produce a DVD of the event, I'm sure they'd get a bulk order from here... If not, anyone work closely enough to suggest it to them?
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Old 01-11-2014, 04:49 AM   #6560
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This is the only spreadsheet I can find doesn't breakdown finishers by type,



Then searching Wiki and Dakar.Com (which sometimes varies on total numbers)
Bikes only:
2008 canceled
Year..Start...Finished
2009.. 212.... 113
2010...176......88
2011.. 170......94
2012.. 178..... 97
2013.. 183.....125
Thanks GoTo Moto,

I've used your data to calculate the number of finishers to starters as a %.
Data is combined (ie data pre 2007 includes cars & trucks) but it still gives a good indicator as to the difficulty of each of the years.

Year Starters Finishers % finished
1979 182 74 41% All Competitors
1980 216 81 38% All Competitors
1981 291 91 31% All Competitors
1982 385 127 33% All Competitors
1983 385 123 32% All Competitors
1984 427 148 35% All Competitors
1985 552 146 26% All Competitors
1986 486 100 21% All Competitors
1987 539 124 23% All Competitors
1988 603 151 25% All Competitors
1989 473 209 44% All Competitors
1990 465 133 29% All Competitors
1991 406 174 43% All Competitors
1992 332 169 51% All Competitors
1993 153 67 44% All Competitors
1994 259 114 44% All Competitors
1995 205 103 50% All Competitors
1996 295 121 41% All Competitors
1997 280 141 50% All Competitors
1998 349 104 30% All Competitors
1999 297 110 37% All Competitors
2000 401 225 56% All Competitors
2001 358 141 39% All Competitors
2002 425 132 31% All Competitors
2003 490 186 38% All Competitors
2004 595 163 27% All Competitors
2005 688 215 31% All Competitors
2006 475 193 41% All Competitors
2007 511 300 59% All Competitors
2008 Cancelled
2009 212 113 53% Bikes only
2010 176 88 50% Bikes only
2011 170 94 55% Bikes only
2012 178 97 54% Bikes only
2013 183 125 68% Bikes only
2014* 174 83 48% Bikes only
* Current as per the rest day 11th Jan 2014


Recent years (2007 onwards) seem to indicate an increased number of finishers which could be perceived as the rally being 'easier' during these years. 2013 in particular had a fairly low attrition rate (at least for the bikes) so no doubt why the organisers have probably decided it's time to have another 'tough one', to ensure the 'Dream' stays alive...

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Old 01-11-2014, 05:05 AM   #6561
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Anyone contemplating riding the Dakar should be out riding in the heat ,at least trying to simulate something close to what they are going to encounter over there . If you have the weather and the terrain ,I would strongly recommend getting used to being uncomfortable ,but keeping the fluids up.
I live in Florida and ride in the summer here out in the scrub that is Ocala National Forest. Featureless terrain; bushes sand and pine trees. Very easy to get lost. The humidity is so high and temps in the 35c range that you must have a camel back and drink constantly and load your body the night before with water. However, even acclimated, if something happens 6 hours in and you are kickstarting over and over, picking up your bike, dragging it through the sand, etc, the overwelming heat starts its smothering effect and your body temp starts to rise. Just to do that for 12 hours properly hydrated will wreck your body, but at 47c and after days of this in the desert, any stop or failure immediately puts you at risk. You are already started down the slippery slope.

Your advice is really only the bare minimum you could hope to pull this off in this kind of heat, you will still need quite a bit of luck on your side.
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Old 01-11-2014, 05:17 AM   #6562
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Great post Lyndon. You and Ned are heroes of mine for your riding accomplishments. I know from experience in marathon racing that even though you are well trained and properly prepared, things can go dangerously bad given the right circumstances. I'm an old guy now, but still riding and I greatly appreciate your insight from having been there and having success at Dakar.
X2 plus, had it not been for Lyndon's post on this thread (my 950 story) I wouldnt own the greatest bike ever the 950 Adventure and thanks to all the help he has given this forum over the years to be able to tackle the mechanics on our own successfully
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Old 01-11-2014, 05:30 AM   #6563
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I have put together a brief summary of the first week, together with a look forward to the second half on the Jennydakar.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/JennyDakar - and would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone here on the F5irehose for providing such a rapid (and usually accurate!) source of information, thorough analysis (mostly), and of course, priceless speculation!


"Dakar Day 7 (Rest Day - Salta) and 1st week review: Rest day cannot have come soon enough for everyone on Dakar this year - amateurs and pros alike, particularly in the bike category. Of my initial featured riders (mainly privateers), sadly all of them have had to withdraw, either through mechanical failure, injury, or timing out on what has been described as one of the hardest routes ever on the Dakar Rally.

Even the pros are not immune - with a resurgence in factory teams taking part, coupled with worldwide media coverage to billions of people, the big guns are out to grab headlines - and inevitable pushing hard from day one is going to result in casualties. Fortunately many have been able to walk away (or at least walk to the helicopter), but others have needed more intensive care and repatriation to their home countries. It has been a brutal first half to the race.

The last two days (Stage 5 & 6) have been particularly severe, with high altitude and searing temperatures well over 100°F compounding the stress on already weakened bodies. For example, Gilbert Escalé - one of two young (20 year old) Spanish twin brothers riding together in Dakar for the first time crashed particularly severely into a cravass and had to be airlifted out. His brother Oriol on hearing the news tried to continue on, but subsequently withdrew to support his brother in intensive care. Fortunately we can report that Gilbert is out of danger now.

Other riders struggled on throughout the day with failing machinery, personal dehydration, and the ever present risk of fire - and a number of cases where dry vegetation was getting tangled in their bikes and acting as kindling.

Sadly this year has already suffered one competitor fatality - 11 time Dakar entrant and Malle Moto rider #122 Eric Palante, who was an extremely experienced participant, was found early on Friday morning having failed to reach the end of the stage the day before. Stage 5 had also claimed the lives of two journalists who were following the event, when their vehicle left the road and crashed.

With over 50% of the motorcycle entrants now withdrawn - and not least many of the podium and top-ten contenders now out of the race, it is expected that the second half of the rally may offer some respite.

However, the Motos will still have to contend a second 'Marathon' stage starting right after rest-day tomorrow, with an overnight at high altitude in Uyuni, Bolivia (while the Autos and Trucks race a loop stage out of Salta, Argentina), and the rally organisation are on record as saying Stage 11 (Antofagasta to San Salvador, Chile) is likely to prove one of the toughest Dakar stages ever.

So for part 2 of Dakar 2014, these are the riders I'll be following:

#92 Mike Johnson - US privateer is the only remaining American rider in the rally this year - he has been struggling with electrical problems throughout the first half of the race, but is showing strong resolve and resilience.

#50 Laia Sanz - While the Factory HRC riders have all suffered from mechanical problems, injury and even their bikes catching fire!, Laia who is riding one of the 'customer' CRF450 Rally machines this year has had a reasonably uneventful rally so far, and has proved consistent with regular stage finishes in the top 20. If she maintains this pace, I am certain we will see her on a full factory bike in 2015.

#67 Robert Van Pelt - at just 20 years old, Robert is the youngest competitor on the Dakar this year, and similarly was the youngest ever in 2012, where he finished his first event in 47th position overall. Robert is currently sitting just outside the top 20 overall, and finished a spectacular 7th on stage earlier in the week. This is even more impressive when you consider he is riding in the Malle Moto (unassisted) category - one to watch for the future I'm sure!

#259 Camelia Laparoti - Camelia is one of very few female quad riders in rally-raid, and has consistently finished the Dakar in the top 15 in the past four years. She has been riding a steady race this year, and is on target for her 5th finishers medal.


We of course wish all the remaining competitors the best of luck, those injured a speedy and full recovery, and offer the sincerest condolences to all those who have suffered bereavement this past week."


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Old 01-11-2014, 05:31 AM   #6564
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Small correction Capo. Toomas didn't run out of gas. His engine failed completely 5kms before the end of SS5. He pushed the bike towards the end of stage until he reached another biker who was out of gas. Tom gave him gas and he towed Tom to finish line. The engine was changed overnight while Toomas took a nap of 1 hour before heading for SS6.

Toomas Triisa #133 working on his bike in the middle of Stage5 @ 0:35 (I failed to embed the video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-L1JfoOKzo

I really like France 4 for covering the amateur side of Dakar. Too bad I can't understand a word.
Go Estonian Dakar Team #117 Mart Meeru and #133 Toomas Triisa

Really sorry for Eric, ride in peace man. I hope you meet Meoni out there and you'll have one helluva ride together with many others we've lost...
Thanks for the correction "mait", > corrected. My Estonian isn't that good either
Guys are doing grate job

You can found VIDEO here Tom fixing the bike
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Old 01-11-2014, 06:01 AM   #6565
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RIP Eric

RIP all of the other racers and heros that have also given their lives doing what they love

Glad to see the three aussies still in it

I am gunning for every single rider still in this race. Definitely one of the toughest Dakars for a long while.
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Old 01-11-2014, 06:19 AM   #6566
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Nice footage from Stage 5. Although in polish, but with some acrobatics in the sand that I didn't see elsewhere

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Old 01-11-2014, 06:28 AM   #6567
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I think the ASO was taking a gamble the salar would be dry else they'd be contending with this.





As much as I love riding Argentina nothing beats Bolivia for me. There's nothing like it in the world.
Pretty amazing video, MG! I would love to ride that some day...
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Old 01-11-2014, 07:03 AM   #6568
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Old 01-11-2014, 07:19 AM   #6569
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Rest Day provided team F5 with welcome relief...



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Old 01-11-2014, 07:32 AM   #6570
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Great post Lyndon. You and Ned are heroes of mine for your riding accomplishments. I know from experience in marathon racing that even though you are well trained and properly prepared, things can go dangerously bad given the right circumstances. I'm an old guy now, but still riding and I greatly appreciate your insight from having been there and having success at Dakar.

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