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Old 01-18-2014, 01:40 AM   #11071
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F5 live... SS13

Good ol' "lucky number 13" eh...?

I have had the patented BrodomathTM calculator out ham f5istedly crunching the numbers in an attempt to guess where "off the broom" Boom Boom Barreda might end up on SS13 if he disengages the BRAIN button and puts it into warp(SPEED) drive in a last ditch effort to confirm he is the fastest out there...

The interesting thing about the "reverse start" order is that it has the effect of "bunching" the field towards the closing stages of the SS. in the normal situation where the fastest start out front, the physical time gaps between each of the competitors (typically/theoretically) increase - kind of like a piano accordian being stretched.

With the reverse order, the rear of the field closes on the front (who are travelling on average slower) so that (again theoretically) by the two thirds of the stage completed, the middle third of the field gets closer (in physical proximity) to each other... ie. the accordian is compressed.

here's where the "passing in dust" and danger element that too old mentioned above comes in. Not only is barreda and the other Alien/elite at the rear of field moving forward through the mid pack... but the slowest riders off the front (some in limp home/get to the finish mode) are effective being overtaken/sucked back into the middle third of the pack as well.

The Brodocalculator got all einstein theory like for a while but the layman's translation came up; "it's gonna end in tear's for somebody"

If conditions were dust free then theortically purely based on speed difference between the elite, and the amatuers off the front... the last 20 riders are between 30 to 25% faster over the 157 km's than those off first. If it were "clear sailing" then Barreda could pick off 15 to 20 riders ahead... but in the dust? Russian Roulette.

If it is dusty/hard to pass... given his start position (and the 10 minute fresh air he starts with in front of him) david Casteu is in the box seat to set a good stage time (win? ) maybe not considering his shoulder injury?

It should be f5un
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Old 01-18-2014, 01:46 AM   #11072
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I can't find the special starting hours.

Can somebody help pls?
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Old 01-18-2014, 01:47 AM   #11073
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Can somebody help pls?
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2014/us/s...kes-hours.html
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Old 01-18-2014, 01:48 AM   #11074
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Old 01-18-2014, 01:50 AM   #11075
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Old 01-18-2014, 01:51 AM   #11076
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I'd love to see our SBS, here in OZ, get even more into Dakar, and take this Dutch , and other coverage, and put subtitles to it. Cripes, much of the programming is subtitled, and SBS does big business in the Subtitling Industry, world wide. Much of the subtitling done, with English on other languages, is done by SBS. It's a major source of their earnings.

We get the "26 minutes of", but I see so many more 'gems' amoungst other language footage, the Dutch one especially so.
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Old 01-18-2014, 01:54 AM   #11077
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We get the "26 minutes of", but I see so many more 'gems' amoungst other language footage, the Dutch one especially so.
Damn right. I have a resolution to learn (some) Spanish by next year.
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Old 01-18-2014, 01:55 AM   #11078
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Yep, that qualifies as two weeks job well done, after a well calculated (if little risky) last minute career move. Good gamble paid off it would seem?
I'm holding my breath until the end of the special to declare Jordi's shrewd gamble very successful.
At the time the news came out about switching to the KTM, my impression was that the risk (as well as damnation) was too great.
However, pretty boy Jordi pulled it off and well done to him.
Oh yeah, KTM factory bike and team are pretty good also.
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Old 01-18-2014, 01:55 AM   #11079
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Wow, from the quickest catch up on Stage 11 to my longest catch up on Stage 12!! Yikes!!

Such a busy day!! Where to even start?! I'll keep it simple.

I distinctly remember two quotes from the aliens just a few days ago. Coma saying how his race was not going to change now that he had a comfortable lead. He would continue to run at his normal comfortable pace. Riding within his limits. Despres saying that even though he was down in 7th, he would continue to ride his pace. Both saying it is a long rally where things can change at any moment.

This is why both of these guys have won this rally for the past 8 years. Seriously. They ride fast when they need to, they ride tactically when they need to. They are both EXTREMELY mechanically sympathetic to their bikes.

If you throw your bike down at speed enough times earlier on in the rally, IT WILL FAIL YOU later on. Maybe Barreda's crash was in fact nothing he did per se. The fact is, he threw the bike down many times in stages previously. Weakening and damaging pieces not so easily inspected during an overnight bivy. Stress points develop into hairline cracks, which develop into bigger problems, which result in something going bang when you least expect it.

The real bottom line is, Honda PAYS Barreda to bring that bike home in 2nd place. Not to take unnecessary risks on the penultimate stage. You think if Cyril could take 40 minutes out of Coma he wouldn't have done that already? Why would Barreda think he could?? Youthful exuberance is a great thing, but it must be tempered before he will be successful in this game. The two at the top didn't get there by accident, nor by crashing out all the time.

Jordi Villadoms is a perfect example of cool heads prevailing. He knew where he was in third, with over an hour to make up to Barreda and he went out and rode his pace. BAM! In second place now with one short stage to go. You think he doesn't know how this game is played? He has been taking notes from Coma and Despres for a while now...

Anyhoo, Bring on Stage 13. It will be a good race between Despres and Pain. And of course the drama in the cars and trucks to boot!!

Well Said ! One Would Expect HRC Team Mangers to have better Strategies and tactics ? This is PRO sport after all - No wonder everyone cannot believe HRC's amateur like mistakes -

It takes more than building a good bike to win DAKAR !

Tactics , Strategy have year on year proved most NB !

1 - KTM
2- KTM
3- YAMAHA
4 - YAMAHA

That not about the best bike - That is about the best TEAM ! From Management to Riders !
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Old 01-18-2014, 02:00 AM   #11080
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DAY 13: rolls out the bivouac gate...

07:00 AM Local Chilé time in La Serena

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has the privelige of leading the Moto field out on the liason to the final SS13 on the way to Valparasio...

May all competitors today have #66 on their shoulders watching over them, and we see all to the podium tonight in Valparasio.
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Old 01-18-2014, 02:05 AM   #11081
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Go Mike!!

BTW, Mike is an inmate here and in addition to a pile of CRF's he also owns a 640Adv AND a KLR! The KLR (and his insistence that it's a quality bike) always cracks me up, especially when coming from a guy that has such an impressive race resume.
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Old 01-18-2014, 02:11 AM   #11082
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Looking at the overall standings it seems every rider in top 10 (except Coma) will have to race today to keep his position or to move up a step.
Pressure eases a bit between 10th and 20th but if someone can make 5-10 minutes on his neighbor it will bring him up the board.

That said, everybody south of 20th place have only safe finish on their mind and will be taking it very steady.
If the usual starting sequence is to be followed (2min, 30sec, 10sec) the field is going to bunch up very quickly.

It's going to be dusty and dangerous for everybody.
Hold on to you hats.
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Old 01-18-2014, 02:14 AM   #11083
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Looking at the overall standings it seems every rider in top 10 (except Coma) will have to race today to keep his position or to move up a step.
Pressure eases a bit between 10th and 20th but if someone can make 5-10 minutes on his neighbor it will bring him up the board.

That said, everybody south of 20th place have only safe finish on their mind and will be taking it very steady.
If the usual starting sequence is to be followed (2min, 30sec, 10sec) the field is going to bunch up very quickly.

It's going to be dusty and dangerous for everybody.
Hold on to you hats.


From pos. 58 to pos. 68, there is a one minute start gap between each rider.

The riders ahead of them (pos. 1 thru pos. 57) each have 30 second start intervals... not "two at a time" as on other stages.

As you can see, between pos. 68 and pos. 69 the ASO have put in a 10 minute "dust gap" in the starting order...
and the last 10 riders have 3 minutes each between them.
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Old 01-18-2014, 02:17 AM   #11084
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Damn right. I have a resolution to learn (some) Spanish by next year.
Mine is to learn French solely to understand the France4 coverage. Not actually ever planning to visit France
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Old 01-18-2014, 02:20 AM   #11085
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From pos. 58 to pos. 68, there is a one minute start gap between each rider.

The riders ahead of them (pos. 1 thru pos. 57) each have 30 second start intervals... not "two at a time" as on other stages.

As you can see, between pos. 68 and pos. 69 the ASO have put in a 10 minute "dust gap" in the starting order...
and the last 10 riders have 3 minutes each between them.
Ahh, that's ok then.
They don't want another 50% attrition in a day.
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