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Old 01-28-2014, 10:17 AM   #1
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Are there any stealth radar detectors?

Any stealth radar detectors? There used to be a Valentine one that was wired into a rearview mirror. It's not so much the steath as I don't want my handlebars to look like an electronics store.

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Old 01-28-2014, 10:21 AM   #2
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Escort 8500ci, 8500ci plus, and the 9500ci. top of line installed is the BEL sti-r plus

i run a standard 8500ci with a hyperlight flashing brake light to alert me when the radar goes off
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Old 01-28-2014, 10:43 AM   #3
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Escort Passport iQ

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Old 01-28-2014, 11:35 AM   #4
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These are all intriguing. $1200 for an escort or the Bel seems like a lot of money. The 8500 ci regular or plus seems like the sweet spot. Did you guys install them yourselves?

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Old 01-28-2014, 03:58 PM   #5
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This one's not really stealth, but it does have a remote antenna unit. The control head/display can be mounted anywhere. This one is a Whistler 3450.

Here's the head/display unit:




The antenna unit is mounted just above the cruise control servo:



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Old 01-28-2014, 04:04 PM   #6
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The "mark" that you let ride (or drive) in front of you

As to the cost of the commertial detectors: How much will a ticket cost you (including your time, and potential insurance rate increase)? Consider the cost of a good detector as an insurance premium.
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Old 01-28-2014, 04:29 PM   #7
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if you want something a little cheaper the new whistler pro 3600 has gotten fair reviews. the KA band is weak but its better than nothing

http://www.whistlergroup.com/radar-d...ct.aspx?id=280

i installed mine myself, picked up a klein modular crimper tool from homedepot and shortened all the wires. warranty is void but i didnt care, i dont like extra wire bunched up
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Old 01-29-2014, 01:48 AM   #8
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Decided to delete my post which questioned if these devices actually work or not.

That is not the question the OP asked.
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Old 01-31-2014, 04:27 AM   #9
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if you want something a little cheaper the new whistler pro 3600 has gotten fair reviews. the KA band is weak but its better than nothing

http://www.whistlergroup.com/radar-d...ct.aspx?id=280

i installed mine myself, picked up a klein modular crimper tool from homedepot and shortened all the wires. warranty is void but i didnt care, i dont like extra wire bunched up
Wow. I've been wondering literally for decades why the detector manufacturers don't make a modular product like this.

I like the LED warning. Seems like it would work well in the helmet.
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Old 01-31-2014, 07:33 AM   #10
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Decided to delete my post which questioned if these devices actually work or not.

That is not the question the OP asked.
I would be very interested in your opinion of weather these things work.
I had one 20 some years ago. Seems like it was random hit or miss then.
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Old 01-31-2014, 05:03 PM   #11
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I would be very interested in your opinion of weather these things work.
I had one 20 some years ago. Seems like it was random hit or miss then.
Everyone seems to have their own view of whether or not they work.
Like any other tool if you don't know how to use it, they don't work.
I have been running one since the early days of the "FuzzBusters" and for me they work great

Doug

ps. I do not use a detector to get away with speeding. More of a reminder to keep my speed within reason.
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Old 01-31-2014, 07:01 PM   #12
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I would be very interested in your opinion of weather these things work.
I had one 20 some years ago. Seems like it was random hit or miss then.
Fair enough then. Fastdadio knows, but for the rest of you, I'm a cop and have been trained and regularly use both radar and laser for speed enforcement. Given that, I'll also say that in the end this is just one pig's opinion. Take it with the appropriately sized grain of salt.

First of all let's discuss laser because that's where most MC speed tickets come from. Laser is virtually instantaneous and pinpoint. No laser detector can tell you of there is a laser speed measuring device in the area because the laser beam is so small. Basically, if your laser detector goes off it's only telling you that you're about to get pulled over (if you were speeding).

Radar is a similar story, but where these devices have a very small chance of saving you. LEO's are trained to NOT activate the radar until they have identified a speeder. This is partly to foil radar detector users and partly because it's unnecessary.

If you sit in one spot for 5 minutes watching traffic, even the untrained eye can spot which cars are faster and LEO's are not only trained at this but spend a lot of time at the same locations doing just this.

If I activate my radar to measure your speed, the odds are very high we're gonna have a chat. So again, the detector only tells you that you're busted.

It is possible that you will find an LEO improperly using the device and measuring the speed of every vehicle, but that would be rare, IMHO.

I am sure many will post about all the times their device went off and then they saw a cop a mile later, but how do you know it was his radar that caused the device to go off and not other interference?

Then there's the intangibles. LEO's have discretion in who gets a ticket. Most LEO's I know write far less tickets then they give out warnings. (unless it's a traffic car, those guys would write there Moms tickets)

But, when you use one of those devices it's viewed by most LEO's as an intent to break the law. Talking your way out of a ticket with a radar detector attached to your bike will be MUCH more difficult, if not impossible.

There's more, but this is already long and I've had this argument before so I know it's impossible to change the mind of real RD believers. For those of you who are considering it, I'd recommend you stay away.

EDIT and P.S.: When I was in the academy the RD our instructor used for training broke so he went down to the local Radio Shack and bought another. He gets it back to school and fires a radar unit at it. Nothing. He goes back and gets another. Same result. He then brings his radar unit to the Radio Shack and tested every unit they had of this high end brand and every unit did nothing when a radar unit was activated at it. He found a cheap one that worked and bought it. How would you know if yours just didn't work?
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Old 01-31-2014, 07:11 PM   #13
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They do help , but they don't make you invisible. If you're going three times the speed limit , you're busted. They can also be a false sense of security. A decent radar detector also picks up other radar detectors. Then , of course , there are radar and laser jammers.
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Old 01-31-2014, 07:23 PM   #14
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I have the Bel electronics unit. It has paid for itself many many times.

If there are cars in front of you, it will let you know when those cars were getting read. If you are alone on the road, you are screwed and it will only tell you that you are getting a ticket.

It works especially well in the desert, where there is nothing, and then it goes off on a car two- four miles down the road.

They decrease your chances of getting a ticket, but if you are the only person they click the radar on, you are screwed.
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Old 02-03-2014, 08:47 AM   #15
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Yup, what Than said.

My observations from the years I drove with a detector on the visor reflect pretty much what Than posted above. They're not fool proof. With the modern pulse type laser, by the time your detector registers a hit, your speed is locked in on the dash and your done. I doubt very much that there is enough laser reflection/wash off of a vehicle up front to give any reliable signal to you, a mile back. After mine failed, I elected not to replace it. YMMV
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