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Old 01-30-2014, 06:34 PM   #31
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End of the month....

Now that this is over here in Perfect Line,
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Police departments removing motorcycles from service.
Forever.
No more bikes, just cars.
I have wondered about the economics of police MC as done in the USA. My cost per mile on my motorcycle is higher than in my car. This is primarily due to the cost of tires, and general maintenance. The policeman would be covered by workman's comp too, I wonder how that premium compares to a patrol car.

There is the, have to call a car to take a arrested person in, limited equipment and most cases chases are limited because of safety. The only benefit is lane splitting maneuverability issues. Now if you had officers patrolling on small single cylinder bikes, maybe that would be cost effective for lots of situations.

Does not seem generally cost effective.

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Old 01-30-2014, 06:48 PM   #32
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I have yet to see an octogenarian blindly running red lights while texting.
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Old 01-30-2014, 06:51 PM   #33
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Not sure if it's related, but I went for a ride last night and the Jeffco Sheriffs were out in force running speed traps. I can't remember the last time I passed a Jeffco sheriff running stationary radar/laser at night where I ride. Last night I passed 4.
Thanks for the heads up.
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Old 01-30-2014, 06:59 PM   #34
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I have yet to see an octogenarian blindly running red lights while texting.
They're just not usually texting when they do it.
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:31 PM   #35
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Old 01-31-2014, 12:22 AM   #36
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I have yet to see an octogenarian blindly running red lights while texting.
No- just cluelessly running red lights.

As we age, at some point our capacity to handle input begins to decrease. Knowing that it will, waiting for an event to show up on our driving record as a warning seems foolhardy. Since we all move along our own timelines, SO DOES just waiting until a certain age. I would be perfectly fine with driver testing at given intervals throughout our lives, and shortening the intervals over a certain age, possibly with training to refresh skills. Say, for example, ages 16, 20, 25, 30, 50, 60, 65, 70. Make them honest tests of skill. We ask motorcyclists to be able to perform collision avoidance maneuvers, when all you need to do for a driver's license is not hit something.

Part of the problem with older people still [trying to] drive is cultural- they always have and hate to feel dependent, but as importantly, there's no other way. "Success" has put them in the 'burbs or had the support system (kids) move away, and groceries don't deliver themselves.
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Old 01-31-2014, 12:31 AM   #37
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Old 01-31-2014, 12:48 AM   #38
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Now if you had officers patrolling on small single cylinder bikes, maybe that would be cost effective for lots of situations.

Does not seem generally cost effective.
Except for maneuverability, a smaller bike isn't going to help much. You'll save a little on purchase price and maybe get a little better MPG, but you're giving up comfort and capacity to haul all the standard issue crap around.

Bikes excel at traffic and escort work. The problem is- and any LEO feel free to prove me wrong- I don't see much motor officer training focused on practicing cornering (outside of cone work) or other high speed riding. Oregon does. We put about 70 motor officers through high speed cornering last year, giving them a chance to train with their adrenaline pumping and feel how the bikes handle at speed.

I like the PR, not just for police departments, but for motorcyclists. Sure, it costs a little, but people take an interest. And if PR isn't useful, why do departments still have mounted horse patrols? It'd be interesting to see how that pencils out. I don't see many traffic stops being made from horseback. (Although I've seen a bicycle cop make a traffic stop...)

OTOH, a lot of motor officers are commanded by either someone that's never done that job and may not even ride, or someone that's indoctrinated to procedures (gear, tactics, training) 50 years out of date and not interested in moving forward.
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I would be much more comfortable drawing conclusions from data showing number of accidents per miles driven for each age group rather than just accidents per number of drivers.
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I would be much more comfortable drawing conclusions from data showing number of accidents per miles driven for each age group rather than just accidents per number of drivers.
One could just look at insurance rates for different age groups. Those with the most accidents pay the most.
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Old 01-31-2014, 04:24 PM   #41
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Motorcycle police is common in Europe.
Manned speed traps on highways rely on them to do the intercept. They do surveillance in woods, beaches, towns.
A department is also strict in picking the right bike for the job. They are not forced to a mark or model for other reasons than task related.

Major trauma centers have conducted tests and have or are investing in an emergency equipped motorcycle.

Fire departments in wooded areas do use motorcycles.


We have the impression that the common view on motorcycles in the US puts them in the entertainment box: something blingbling to cherish in the living room or to load in a pickup for a short ride in the park, with more time spent in the car than on the bike itself.
Perhaps time to reinvent the twowheeler as an efficient and economic tool?
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Old 01-31-2014, 04:54 PM   #42
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I know what I'm doing if I live long enough to become too old and feeble to drive. I'm hiring a highschool kid or two to haul me around in a sidecar rig in the afternoons, if I have to do any errands. I'll bet I could pay them peanuts, and still go wherever I want. Then I also still get the excitement of being out on the road.
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I know what I'm doing if I live long enough to become too old and feeble to drive. I'm hiring a highschool kid or two to haul me around in a sidecar rig in the afternoons, if I have to do any errands. I'll bet I could pay them peanuts, and still go wherever I want. Then I also still get the excitement of being out on the road.

I like that idea.
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I know what I'm doing if I live long enough to become too old and feeble to drive.
My wife has agreed to buy me a Hyabusa at that point.
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