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Old 01-30-2014, 12:05 PM   #16
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This is an advantage for motorcyclists because there are no vehicles to turn in front of a rider.
Why do you think their being in a center turn lane means they no longer turn left in front of motorcycles?
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Old 01-30-2014, 12:54 PM   #17
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Why do you think their being in a center turn lane means they no longer turn left in front of motorcycles?
That was a reference to the "Michigan left", not the center turn lane. Go back and look at the links.
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Old 01-30-2014, 12:58 PM   #18
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I looked at the links. Don't they still turn left across traffic when they do the u-turn?

Actually looks very much less safe to me.
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Old 01-30-2014, 01:02 PM   #19
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I looked at the links. Don't they still turn left across traffic when they do the u-turn?

Actually looks very much less safe to me.
No. You make a u turn through the median and go straight through the intersection, and there's usually a stoplight at the u turn to make it easier.
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Old 01-30-2014, 01:52 PM   #20
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No. You make a u turn through the median and go straight through the intersection, and there's usually a stoplight at the u turn to make it easier.

OK - they don't go straight across traffic, they just have to change from the far left to the far right lane immediately after completing the U-turn. Which is much better, because now they aren't looking for traffic in front of them, but traffic behind/beside them. And we all know motorcycles don't get lost in the blind spot.

Just kidding with you - looks like it would work - I just don't see a big improvement over turning left.
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Old 01-30-2014, 05:16 PM   #21
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I have to tell you all: Not only is the "left turn lane" being hugely abused in Phx, but the number of cagers doing U turns has increased a helluva lot....although I must admit, they are usually more cautious that the damned left turn lane users.
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Old 01-30-2014, 05:25 PM   #22
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I have to tell you all: Not only is the "left turn lane" being hugely abused in Phx, but the number of cagers doing U turns has increased a helluva lot....although I must admit, they are usually more cautious that the damned left turn lane users.
It's there to facilitate making left turns without holding traffic up. The proper procedure is to signal, pull into the center lane, and wait until oncoming traffic clears, then complete the turn.

I've never seen anyone around here execute a U turn using the center lane.
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Old 01-30-2014, 05:39 PM   #23
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It's there to facilitate making left turns without holding traffic up. The proper procedure is to signal, pull into the center lane, and wait until oncoming traffic clears, then complete the turn.

I've never seen anyone around here execute a U turn using the center lane.
Well, good for you man! It happens with regularity around here. However, in their defense; I have to say that Phx. drivers are (for the most part) real assholes.
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What's the problem with a u-turn from the center lane? It's legal here, and if you wait for an opportunity (just like you would to make a regular left), it shouldn't be any worse than a left turn...
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Old 01-31-2014, 11:24 AM   #25
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It's my understanding that in PA the center lane is for turns only, not for merging into traffic when you pull out. Of course it's used both ways all the time. How do I deal with it? I let them have their way. The clueless will remain clueless no matter how many horns they hear or fingers they see. I have never seen an LEO enforce this law.
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Old 01-31-2014, 11:54 AM   #26
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It's my understanding that in PA the center lane is for turns only, not for merging into traffic when you pull out. Of course it's used both ways all the time. How do I deal with it? I let them have their way. The clueless will remain clueless no matter how many horns they hear or fingers they see. I have never seen an LEO enforce this law.
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Are you asking if I'm "Linky"? I'm not.

I sometimes "drinky" though.
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Old 01-31-2014, 04:46 PM   #28
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I'm not sure what the problem is here guys. I thought my original post was pretty clear. "Assholes using the left turn lane as a way of "merging" into on-coming traffic" OR, using the left turn lane to make a U-turn. WTF is so hard about that to understand? Now granted, if they're sitting there waiting to make a U-turn and are cautious....who cares? My original issue is with the assholes who "dart" across two lanes of traffic, take refuge, almost always moving (with blinker on or not) waiting to merge into traffic. IT'S F'ING ILLEGAL! WHY THE HELL ISN'T IT ENFORCED
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Old 01-31-2014, 06:05 PM   #29
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The left turn lane

My experience is that most people here use the center lane responsibly as a merge lane. Legal or not... It's never bothered me.

I'm glad it's not enforced because I do it too.

I guess your post isn't so clear to me.

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