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Old 02-02-2014, 06:59 PM   #31
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Me too but, with NikaSil platinn and an oil cooler.
What does NikaSil plating do?
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Old 02-02-2014, 07:03 PM   #32
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It makes the (aluminum) cylinder wall last a lot longer. Kind of like chrome plated cylinders, but waayyyy better.
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Old 02-02-2014, 07:14 PM   #33
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Smaller is always better when it gets rough.
+1

Additionally, big is relative, to some degree.

When I bought the DR in January 2010 and rode the CDT later that year, I had ridden only on pavement for the previous 15 years -- all on 500+ lb. road bikes.

And for the five years immediately before that I had ridden Gold Wings. My GL1500 easily weighed over 1,000 lbs with my gear and me on board.

So then I buy a DR650 and take it on a shakedown ride. When I got home that day I felt like I could throw it over my shoulder tote it in the house with me.

Then I met a guy locally who regularly rode the forest service trails and fire roads on an R1150 GS.

The same year I met him he rode that bike on the CDT. I thought he was crazy because riding the CDT on the DR650 I thought several times, "a DR350, or perhaps even a WR250, would be a better choice for the terrain I am riding."

But the fact his riding skills were light years ahead of mine. He could ride circles around me on any day of the week on any kind of bike.

So there's a lot more to it than simply a bigger or smaller bike.
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Old 02-02-2014, 07:40 PM   #34
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I had no problem riding a big bike in the dirt, right up till the helicopter ride.
Before that, I thought it was great.

A bigger heavier bike is just more of a workout, and I was up for that.

Its very rare to read about somebody on a light bike breaking bones here, despite some bad crashes, but its very common with guys who ride big bikes off road.
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Old 02-03-2014, 12:20 AM   #35
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Its very rare to read about somebody on a light bike breaking bones here, despite some bad crashes, but its very common with guys who ride big bikes off road.
It would be interesting to see how many big bike riders who suffered serious lower extremity injuries were wearing non-motocross boots lacking proper support, such as "adventure touring" boots.

I'll be purchasing Sidi Crossfire's.
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Old 02-03-2014, 04:16 AM   #36
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I had no problem riding a big bike in the dirt, right up till the helicopter ride.
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You should add that to your signature line, Brett.
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Old 02-03-2014, 06:05 AM   #37
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What does NikaSil plating do?
Getting rid of the iron liner allows the alloy cylinder to cool more efficiently and it allows for tighter tolerances which can increase longevity. (some modern air cooled NikaSil lined bikes have tighter tolerances than older liquid cooled designs that still use iron liners)
I'd compare two of the most popular 650CC machines but, we all know how that usually turns out.

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Old 02-03-2014, 07:28 AM   #38
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Yes, a plated bore runs cooler and quieter, will use no oil, makes more power, lasts longer, is lighter.

The downside is you can not bore it out.
You can replate or buy new, but if cared for, you would have to bore an iron liner 2 or 3 times to get the same miles.

I like the not using a drop of oil part, abuse the bike and after 3000 miles the oil level is still good.

I have an xt200, and after one 60 mile ride, the oil was half gone.
Rings and bore were shot at about 5000 miles.
Mostly due to dirt and neglect, but not having to worry about oil (ever) is nice.
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Old 02-03-2014, 08:00 AM   #39
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Am I the only one who enjoys abusing smaller bikes (less power) then loafing along on a bigger bike most of the time?

I get to hit the power peak in every gear, speed shift, tuck in, brake late and hard, and go full throttle out of turns ALL THE TIME.

If I had a bike that broke the speed limit in 1st or 2nd, I would just get locked up!

I am the guy who could not resist lofting the front wheel at 80 mph.
In fact there are many guys talking like you. While the "I'd get locked up" thing is an argument, I always wonder why it might be fun to turn the throttle and... nothing happens.
I hit peak power in every gear as well, ok, I don't always use the highest two or three gears, but why should one have to? Braking late and hard can be done with every bike, in fact with the faster ones even more and full throttle out of every turn is possible as well, just a bit later when the bike's a bit straighter. In addition, the big bike - at least in my case - is more comfortable.
Only the wheely thing - in my experience it's easier to wheely the smaller bikes.

So for the fun of it, not for the legality of it, I don't understand why it should be better to do all of this with a small bike instead of a big one.
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Old 02-03-2014, 09:06 AM   #40
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Have had a lot of both, small bikes are more fun.

If I wasn't so tall I would only have 250s. I love the challenge of riding a bike to the limit which you just cant do on a big bike without serious risk.
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Old 02-03-2014, 09:50 AM   #41
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I think an R12GS would be perfect for this road. Piece of cake on the F8GS. Too many miles between home and that location for the CFR250X.

Like you say, it all depends on the person and the situation.

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I'd be inclined to agree. The simple fact that my dad, whose most recent dirt riding experience was in the 70s on a 2-stroke 100cc Kawasaki, was able to make it without incident on an overloaded GL1500, shows that the road wasn't all that tough. But it was nerve-wracking on a low-clearance street bike because of the potential for catastrophic engine damage just from smacking a rock. The higher clearance of the big GS would have eliminated that worry and made the ride that much more fun; the lower weight of the "little" GS would have been even better, at least for my low skill level in unpaved riding.
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Old 02-03-2014, 10:38 AM   #42
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I have a super sherpa 250 and the only time I wish for a bigger bike is when my wife or son says something about riding 2up. But just for me I Dont see really needing a bigger bike,unless I get a job where I commute on the interstate with it then I would get a 650
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:50 AM   #43
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I love the challenge of riding a bike to the limit which you just cant do on a big bike without serious risk.
Full acceleration isn't that risky, even on a 200hp bike.
Full lean, sliding over both tyres, on a 15hp bike, on the other hand...
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:55 AM   #44
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Full lean, sliding over both tyres, on a 15hp bike, on the other hand...
...is the fun of riding a small bike! (manageable and recoverable)
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Old 02-03-2014, 01:01 PM   #45
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Full acceleration isn't that risky, even on a 200hp bike.
Full lean, sliding over both tyres, on a 15hp bike, on the other hand...
Full acceleration on a 200hp bike will loop it, unless you have TCS and then its not full acceleration. Big bikes can't be ridden properly.

Never got both wheels sliding, on modern road tyres I am not sure it is possible on bitumen.

Most riders crash from the fear of entering a corner to fast, then target fixate off the road, that is more likely to happen on a big bike.
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