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Old 02-04-2014, 01:57 PM   #211
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All things being equal, how does being seen (sooner) not make you safer?

Ah. Yeah, if you put it on like a bright yellow coat of invincibility, that's a problem. Nobody is saying to do that- except you.
That's the conflict right there, if you believe that all things being equal you're safer because you're wearing high-viz, at some level you're expecting a particular outcome that's not 100% certain. You MAY be safer IF they see you sooner.

Use it because it may help, but never assume it will.
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Old 02-04-2014, 04:56 PM   #212
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Use it because it may help, but never assume it will.
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:22 PM   #213
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Never. The Luddites can do what they want. Best of luck, you'll need it.
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Old 02-06-2014, 04:08 PM   #214
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Laugh hi viz...can you see me now?

what ever works for you. pay your money, make your choice. Helmet or dew rag, hi-viz, cutoffs, jeans or leather. Boots, flip-flops, tenniepumps!

I picked mine, you pick yours, nose, butt to riding gear, the picking is personal!
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Old 02-06-2014, 05:27 PM   #215
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Have read little of others comments, my expeirence with KLIM high vis is that I noticed first day that drivers at stop and in traffic saw me sooner and held back on actions which would previously gone with me in black. Feel more visible in hi vis. FWIW
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Old 02-06-2014, 08:06 PM   #216
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A really long thread & to be honest I haven't read it all. IMHO motorcycling (like life in general) is about managing risk/return.

Wearing hi vis reduces my risk of not being seen. Increases my risk of cager target fixation. Net positive. Cheap. Check---do it

Same thing with good tires, good corner lines, trail braking, eating olive oil instead of lard. Cheap, effective, net reduction in risk

YMMV
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:20 AM   #217
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I ride as if no one sees me. In a white helmet and hi viz jacket everyone thinks I am the police judging by reactions. I'll take it.
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Old 02-07-2014, 02:49 PM   #218
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Me? I am going to ride in such a way that I really don't give a shit if they see me or not. I will try to help them with lateral motion.. But ultimately it is MY responsibility to avoid them NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO.
Finally something sensible in this thread.
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Old 02-07-2014, 03:07 PM   #219
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I should wear one, though I don't think it will help. People don't really look when they are driving. If they don't look they will not see you regardless of what you wear. So that is why I prefer to take a more proactive approach and look for them and avoid. But then again, what ever helps draw the eye can't hurt.

Like to find a nice pack that was high viz. That would be great.
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Old 02-07-2014, 03:15 PM   #220
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I wear HiViz and a white helmet. I also ride as defensively as I can. That's about all I can do. I hope nothing happens, but if it does, at least my lawyer will be able to wave my HiViz in front of the jury and say " WTF"
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:45 PM   #221
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I wear HiViz and a white helmet. I also ride as defensively as I can. That's about all I can do. I hope nothing happens, but if it does, at least my lawyer will be able to wave my HiViz in front of the jury and say " WTF"
That's definitely something legitimate to consider.
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Old 02-07-2014, 06:12 PM   #222
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I've searched, since I first saw this thread, for where my aversion to high viz comes from, and finally figured it out.

To me, while I wear a helmet everywhere, at minimum kevlar Rider's pants and an armored jacket, gloves and boots, there is a limit to how much safety I'm willing to do.

Let me explain. I grew up in the 60's and 70's, and when we were kids we climbed trees, made ramps for our Stingrays with no helmets, rode brakeless minibikes in jeans, tee shirts, and All Stars as fast as they would go, made go karts and hauled ass down hilly streets, rode motorcycles helmetless, bombed down hills on skateboards helmetless, etc. etc.

You don't see that any more. A kid making a ramp for his or her bike? Without a helmet? Their parents, although they did the same thing as kids, would take the bike away. You don't see kids in trees any more, and they ride skateboards only at parks with helmets, knee pads, elbow pads and parental supervision. Everything is about safety, to the point that it becomes rediculous and even detremental to human life. When I was a kid, no one had diabetes. Sure, there were a few fat kids, but for the most part they kept up with us playing football, riding bikes, etc.

This is where the high vis comes in for me. It is screaming that motorcycles are dangerous! To me, when I see someone in high vis gear on a motorcycle, I see someone who is so averse to risk that they probably are so worried about getting hit they aren't enjoying themselves. I also believe this sends the same message to the public, who already believe motorcycles are deadly, do deadly they would rather actually kill their kids than to see them on one.

It's just that one step towards the bull^%$t ovwer-safety conscious attitude I am unwilling to take.

Wear your favorite color jacket, pants if you got 'em, your favorite color helmet, and ride like they can't see you. And have fun. The end.
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Old 02-07-2014, 06:39 PM   #223
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How dare you think for yourself!!!!!

No,really.............thanks.
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Old 02-07-2014, 07:03 PM   #224
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I've searched, since I first saw this thread, for where my aversion to high viz comes from, and finally figured it out.

To me, while I wear a helmet everywhere, at minimum kevlar Rider's pants and an armored jacket, gloves and boots, there is a limit to how much safety I'm willing to do.

Let me explain. I grew up in the 60's and 70's, and when we were kids we climbed trees, made ramps for our Stingrays with no helmets, rode brakeless minibikes in jeans, tee shirts, and All Stars as fast as they would go, made go karts and hauled ass down hilly streets, rode motorcycles helmetless, bombed down hills on skateboards helmetless, etc. etc.

You don't see that any more. A kid making a ramp for his or her bike? Without a helmet? Their parents, although they did the same thing as kids, would take the bike away. You don't see kids in trees any more, and they ride skateboards only at parks with helmets, knee pads, elbow pads and parental supervision. Everything is about safety, to the point that it becomes rediculous and even detremental to human life. When I was a kid, no one had diabetes. Sure, there were a few fat kids, but for the most part they kept up with us playing football, riding bikes, etc.

This is where the high vis comes in for me. It is screaming that motorcycles are dangerous! To me, when I see someone in high vis gear on a motorcycle, I see someone who is so averse to risk that they probably are so worried about getting hit they aren't enjoying themselves. I also believe this sends the same message to the public, who already believe motorcycles are deadly, do deadly they would rather actually kill their kids than to see them on one.

It's just that one step towards the bull^%$t ovwer-safety conscious attitude I am unwilling to take.

Wear your favorite color jacket, pants if you got 'em, your favorite color helmet, and ride like they can't see you. And have fun. The end.
Well said, I see your point. I grew up in the 70's and 80's and can relate to that feeling. I wear hi-viz 3/4 of the time but I can certainly see where you are coming from.
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Old 02-07-2014, 07:10 PM   #225
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Yeah, so what. I grew up in the 50's-60's and I still have all the scars from all the stupid, careless shit I did including a deep gash in my leg and 40,stitches in my head from crashing my Honda 305 Scrambler while dressed in cut off jeans and a teeshirt. Luckily I lived throughall that plus a stint in the Army and I now have sense enough to be better attired on my motorcycles. White helmet and HiViz.
I also spent much of my medical career hanging out in ER's and OR's. I've seen what stupid looks like.....and its results.
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