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Old 02-04-2014, 11:17 PM   #16
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The problem really is with the headline, not with the study or even necessarily the rest of the article. The prevalence effect that the article mentioned did appear to manifest during the study. The thing is, this was true of both motorcycles and buses. Just as recognition of motorcycles became better when the motorcycles were more frequent, the recognition of buses became better when buses were more frequent. It would have be just as (in)appropriate to title the article "'Element Of Surprise' Makes Buses Greater Traffic Hazard Than Cars: The Low-Prevalence Effect In Action". It's just poor journalism.

The better headline would have been ""Element of Surprise' Makes Drivers a Greater Hazard to Motorcyclists" since they're the ones not seeing us.
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Old 02-05-2014, 04:52 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by KLM 3 View Post
Here in Japan it is similar. There are enough two-wheelers on the road that you just have to expect them. Also, the way the laws are written, the bigger vehicle assumes a bigger share of the fault in an accident.

I had understood in Japan the comment "I didn't see them!" is essentially a confession of guilt. They have this "odd" concept that a driver is supposed to be paying attention to what they are doing, seeing all vehicles regardless of size and probably even pedestrians too... what a concept!
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Old 02-05-2014, 05:32 AM   #18
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Actually it is very good journalism. That Hyper-overreactive title got us all to read it. I think large vehicles are often under-rated as to speed. Ever watch a 60mph freight train approach? You would swear it was going a lot slower.I think that you should always do a double look at large vehicles.
As for bikes, their small profile causes the problem there. You see them if you look twice also. When bikes ride in large groups with no spacing they do become just like 1 large vehicle and are very hard to judge. There is not one of us on here that has not judged passing distance incorrectly a time or two, and have been saved by the overtaken vehicle(s) slowing to let us in.
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