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Old 02-09-2014, 07:40 PM   #1411
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As a noob to riding, I have a curious question. Is it normal that I am slightly unsettled by turning sharply? I've only been riding in the yard on my ninja. But it feels as though it is going to slide out from under me. Im still practicing just curious if the feeling will go away? :

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Riding in the yard (as in on grass?) it may very well slide out from under you. Get out of the yard and to a nice paved lot and practice there.

When tires are cold they have less grip.
Painted lines have less grip.
Metal manhole/sewer covers have less grip.

Outside of that. It will be a LONG time before you lean that bike more than traction allows.

Also remember to lean your body into the turn. (don't just lean the bike)
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Old 02-10-2014, 04:07 AM   #1412
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Yeah, on grass. My boyfriend said it would be better to start there until I am more comfortable, then I could start on pavement.

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Definitely find an empty parking lot, your ninja is not made for grass ;) Your bike will feel totally different, if you try it on pavement.
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Old 02-10-2014, 06:10 AM   #1413
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And you ARE wearing gear, even on grass, right? Ninjas are not made for grass, low traction and street tires do not mix. Find a nice empty parking lot to practice in- our neighborhood church parking lot is HUGE and usually empty. Except on Sundays.


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Old 02-10-2014, 11:17 PM   #1414
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I've been wanting to ride on pavement but he is determined that I get comfortable on grass.
Here's a thought; I've heard it said that riding off road gives you skills that will make you a better rider on the street. By having you ride on grass, you are hopefully learning responses to sudden loss of traction, with less chance of damage to the street bike in a fall. It's all well and good to learn in a parking lot, too, but in the real world, it's the patch of sand, the oil slick in the center of the lane, a wet manhole cover that will catch you. I think the skills learned on the grass may save you in that situation. What do you think? Also, get a jacket with shoulder and elbow armor. Your bones will thank you if you ever do take a fall.
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:27 AM   #1415
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get a jacket with shoulder and elbow armor. Your bones will thank you if you ever do take a fall.
Only if you're wearing it, which should be 100% of the time. I still say, get off the lawn or have him find you a small dirt bike to ride. My .02 is all.


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Old 02-11-2014, 10:50 AM   #1416
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I have been wearing a helmet, gloves, a hoodie, jeans and boots, if it would be a better idea I'll start wearing my riding jacket. Im still looking for riding pants/boots/better fitting gloves. Perhaps this is why he doesn't want me on pavement yet.

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i would get some better gear and then pay for some lessons and riding with a instructor on the road and then get your test done so you now what to do and be legal to run the bike.
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:26 PM   #1417
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As a noob to riding, I have a curious question. Is it normal that I am slightly unsettled by turning sharply? I've only been riding in the yard on my ninja. But it feels as though it is going to slide out from under me. Im still practicing just curious if the feeling will go away? :

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For parking lot speed turns, you can let the bike lean under you, instead of leaning with the bike. You'll feel a lot more in control.
If you haven't done it yet, take a motorcycle safety foundation course. Even experienced riders learn a little something in those courses (take the boyfriend).
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:49 PM   #1418
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Read and study Proficient Motorcycling by Hough, then read it again! I learned a ton from it even after 50 years of riding.

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Old 02-13-2014, 02:15 PM   #1419
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Granted I only have about 8 years of riding experience but my thinking is that if motorcycle is involved in an accident it is always motorcycle's fault.
Here is the logic.
On a bike if you crash you will get hurt and possibly die.
Therefore you should never put yourself in the situation to be in an crash, ever.
You always have more to lose than the car. I don't even want to go into "unforced errors" subject (going too fast, hitting a tree, etc)
Its one of those you always have to think two, even three steps ahead. I am hoping some of the older crowd will chime in (no offense).
Also on a bike you reaction instinct are almost always wrong. You must train yourself to think more and react less.
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Old 02-13-2014, 02:39 PM   #1420
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Also on a bike you reaction instinct are almost always wrong. You must train yourself to think more and react less.
My thought on this is, train the right instincts and reflexes, because if you have to first think about how to react, it's already too late. But this is hard to learn and harder to get rid of old muscle memory/reflexes...
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Old 02-14-2014, 06:29 AM   #1421
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Kenny Roberts (google for vids of world-class roadrace demigod) used to play 'what if?' in his head. The way he explained it, he would think of an event- crash, highside, loss of power- by one of the competitors, how it would affect him, and what he would to. Then he would velcro it to the back of his mind, and if said event happened he'd rip it off and execute, since the thinking had already been done.
Worked for him, and it stuck with me. Helped me many many times, on the track and on the street. "What if that driver doesn't see the light change?" "What if that guy doesn't see me and steps off the curb?" "What if...."
I disagree with 'the motorcycle is always wrong'. The majority of accidents involving other vehicles are caused by the cage violating the rider's right of way. Study the Hurt Report- old, but still valid.


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Old 02-14-2014, 08:00 AM   #1422
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Kenny Roberts (google for vids of world-class roadrace demigod) used to play 'what if?' in his head. The way he explained it, he would think of an event- crash, highside, loss of power- by one of the competitors, how it would affect him, and wohat he would to. Then he would velcro it to the back of his mind, and if said event happened he'd rip it off and execute, since the thinking had already been done.
Worked for him, and it stuck with me. Helped me many many times, on the track and on the street. "What if that driver doesn't see the light change?" "What if that guy doesn't see me and steps off the curb?" "What if...."
I disagree with 'the motorcycle is always wrong'. The majority of accidents involving other vehicles are caused by the cage violating the rider's right of way. Study the Hurt Report- old, but still valid.


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Thats a really good game to play, I play it all the time whether I'm flying, walking on a city street, driving or on my bike! "situational awareness."
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Old 02-17-2014, 04:45 PM   #1423
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I have actually been checking into a class, the closest one is the weekend after my birthday. (Late birthday present to myself can never hurt getting him to join me may be a different story.

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As a motorcycle n00b with a long-term rider boyfriend, I strongly advise against going to the class together. You want to focus on you and only you during the course; his presence will probably complicate that even if he's leaving you alone to learn. At worst, he could try to talk over the instructor to teach you during the class and get both of you kicked out.

Personally, I know that if my boyfriend had taken the class with me, I would have worried about looking stupid in front of him. That worry would have been unconscious, but it's still hella distracting (plus looking stupid is how I learn ).
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Old 02-18-2014, 06:07 PM   #1424
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Just take the class. You'll get to practice dropping the school's bike, not his.
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Old 02-20-2014, 06:19 PM   #1425
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I want to take it asap but he thinks I should wait a while. Im not sure what to do!
I vote for taking the class ASAP without your significant other present.

The instructors in the classes I have taken are all excellent.
You will learn a lot and at least in my part of the country they are not expensive ... less expensive than a busted brake lever and scuffed jacket!
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