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Old 02-14-2014, 08:15 AM   #61
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My wife rode on the back of bikes before I met her, she had a co worker girlfriend with a cb350 they used to go out on quite a bit.

She likes riding on the back of my bikes, and I do not mind having her along when she wants to go.

She is too old and brittle to learn how to ride now, new riders WILL dump it, and her back is in no shape for that. Even a scooter would be risky.
Then there is traffic...

So, she goes on the back of my bikes, and I ride very gently and safe.
Unlike many, she does not trust me much, with driving or riding.
Some people will hop on the back of some bozo's bike who does not know how to ride, who then hot dogs it through traffic, that is a LOT of trust!
Misplaced trust.

I would HATE being on the back of a bike, no control.

The worst thing you can do is to risk someone else on the back when riding, no matter who it is.

I will take risks solo, never with anyone else on the bike.

I think it would be smart for a wife to learn how to ride if she wants at a younger age, on a small dirt bike, because before you know it, you get too old and brittle to be dumping bikes.
That way a nice scooter or bike could be delt with without too much risk.

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Old 02-14-2014, 12:22 PM   #62
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the problem lies in our driveway and any slow speed maneuvering. our driveway is about 200 yards long all gravel and the Dakar headshakes something terrible when she hops on the back and that sets the tone for the ride right off the bat. out on the open road or dirt side roads she follows right along with me and we are fine. then we get to a destination and try and park and its wobble city again.
It sounds like the problem is just the low speed instability. You might try just riding around slowly in a dirt area (2-up) to practice balance.

What do you other inmates think about a steering dampener for this issue? I have heard of people using them to smooth out low speed wobbles riding solo in sand, but don't have experience myself. Could this help smooth out the low speed wobbles, or would it just add fatigue from fighting it trying to balance the bike 2-up?
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Old 02-14-2014, 02:04 PM   #63
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It sounds like the problem is just the low speed instability. You might try just riding around slowly in a dirt area (2-up) to practice balance.

What do you other inmates think about a steering dampener for this issue? I have heard of people using them to smooth out low speed wobbles riding solo in sand, but don't have experience myself. Could this help smooth out the low speed wobbles, or would it just add fatigue from fighting it trying to balance the bike 2-up?
The gravel must be loose, or even loose crushed stone. Try riding down the side of the driveway where it is thinner. Or practice. Slow on gravel should be easy.
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Old 02-14-2014, 02:41 PM   #64
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I sold her on the Dakar purchase as bike we could ride together

That's how I got the DRZ400

We have ridden it 2up for thousands of miles of pavement, dirt roads and serious offroad where other people won't go solo on a bike, but as a result I have dumped it twice.

Once in a nasty mudhole on the way up a steep ridge on a hidden log that kicked the back tire out. We both ended up in deep mud with the bike on top of us. The other time was crossing a wet log in the woods, and again the rear kicked out. By this time she was smart enough to step off and let me end up under the bike on my own


I am not sure what the point of this post was supposed to be, but was headed somehwere when I started typing it....
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Old 02-14-2014, 04:26 PM   #65
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60+ replies, and I've only seen a couple brushes at the answer to the question on the OP getting better.

1) Be SMOOTH. Every abrupt input you make- throttle, brakes, shifting, turning- is a surprise to your passenger. The smoother you are, the less of a surprise the passenger has. Turtle fvcking (smacking helmets together) is the rider's fault, not the passenger's.

2) There are rules for passengers. How to get on / off, when they can wiggle, when they need to be still, what to do at stops, where to look. You need to know them so you can tell her, then you both know what to expect.

3) See #1 above.

4) An intercom, or some hand signals to communicate, so she doesn't feel disconnected and she knows what she can do to let you know "slow down", "I need a break", whatever, without being a danger.

5) See #3 above.

6) If she wants to ride- with you or on her own- help her invest in some good gear, so she feels comfortable and safe.

7) See #5 above.

8) If she wants to learn how to ride- lovingly send her to an MSF class. Or two, if she wants basic street and dirt skills.
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Old 02-14-2014, 05:16 PM   #66
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the problem lies in our driveway and any slow speed maneuvering. our driveway is about 200 yards long all gravel and the Dakar headshakes something terrible when she hops on the back and that sets the tone for the ride right off the bat. out on the open road or dirt side roads she follows right along with me and we are fine. then we get to a destination and try and park and its wobble city again.
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It sounds like the problem is just the low speed instability. You might try just riding around slowly in a dirt area (2-up) to practice balance.

What do you other inmates think about a steering dampener for this issue? I have heard of people using them to smooth out low speed wobbles riding solo in sand, but don't have experience myself. Could this help smooth out the low speed wobbles, or would it just add fatigue from fighting it trying to balance the bike 2-up?
I can't answer for the steering dampener, but it sounds like you need to practice. Not so much by yourself, but with her. I have similar issues on my cruiser with my wife. She's already been to the MSF course, but our issue is that she's only ridden once with me. She's just not use to the slow speed movement yet so we're not as smooth as I wish we were.

Granted, my daughter is a 100 + lb difference but I don't have any issues with her since she's very comfortable on the bike and has already logged a dozen rides with me.

Making a few trips up and down the driveway might help. Either you'll get smoother or it'll convince her to get a bike for herself.
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Old 02-14-2014, 05:27 PM   #67
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I have a problem. my wife bitches and says I have to many toys and its all for me and nothing for her. which for the most part is true. but when I try to get her to ride on the back of my Dakar (to share a toy) she is scared shitless because for lack of a better word I suck at it.

so do I teach or better yet get someone else to teach her how to ride my XT? Or do I find someone to learn how to ride 2 up with that I care much less about then my wife. any volunteers?

but for real how do you safely learn to ride 2 up?
are you sure you suck at it ? or is she just a bad passenger

or is it time to start looking for a new wife

there is more to the story that you are not telling us

maybe you need this http://www.viberider.com/
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Old 02-14-2014, 11:54 PM   #68
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some great advice and good stories.

let me break it down for you all. I have been riding for 2 years mostly dual sport with a 60/40 split of dirt to pavement. but I have been riding and racing mountain bikes since I was a little kid and also rode and raced quads till I sold them to get dual sports.

she has rode and jumped horses competitively her whole life and can also hold her own on a manual clutch quad. plus she grew up on a farm so she is pretty tuff.

the problem lies in our driveway and any slow speed maneuvering. our driveway is about 200 yards long all gravel and the Dakar headshakes something terrible when she hops on the back and that sets the tone for the ride right off the bat. out on the open road or dirt side roads she follows right along with me and we are fine. then we get to a destination and try and park and its wobble city again.

I have tried jacking the preload up but it don't seem to help. not sure what to do? I ride it loaded up for a week trip with side boxes a top box and dry bag on the pillion seat no problem even on super sketchy stuff.

I sold her on the Dakar purchase as bike we could ride together and

1. she is convinced that its not big enough and this and that.

2. she has said many times she wants to learn how to ride the XT but that I am not aloud to teach her because we would just fight.

I think that I might just try and talk her into a cruiser for us to ride. we have ridden those together just fine on a few occasions. but I don't want a HD it will have to be a triumph.

and as for getting rid of my toys or buying her jewelry or a pool. none of those things are happening right now because we don't know how long we are staying in this house and she has enough shiny shit she doesn't wear! (typical female) I don't even have a lot of toys (IMHO) (typical male) I have my two bikes, we have a RZR900 that she loves to rip around in and I have a oversized lawn tractor that is my weekly therapy session.

just might be a keeper.

and she's insightful.

learned my lesson years ago... I could teach an entire class how to do *. but not a gf/wife. no way, no how.

I will teach somebody else's gf/wife how to do *, best to let somebody else teach mine.
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Old 02-17-2014, 05:41 PM   #69
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My 2c worth

IMHO it all boils down to a few basics

1: Trust.
2: Rider smoothness.
3: Passenger smoothness, closely related to 1.

As a small anecdote, I used to ride a Honda cub. Definitely under 200lb. I'm about 132lb and my brother about 240lb. He trusts me, he's smooth (he himself rides) and we've never had a scary moment, neither on the cub nor on heavier bikes.

Put him as pillion behind my dad whose skills he doesn't have faith in and it gets nasty! He gets tense, starts leaning opposite to the bike, fights the rider and my dad swears he's going to kill them both!

Also with lighter passengers I've found the same applies. When a girlfriend was comfortable enough to yell at me to go faster (I tend to putt putt along even on the 650) she was fun , when another girl was tense, it wasn't.
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