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Old 03-05-2014, 02:31 AM   #3901
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Well done to Yannick Guyomarc'h for taking power naps, using his head, being dead last every day and finishing the Dakar 3-4 days behind some pressure-washer guy.




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Old 03-05-2014, 04:26 AM   #3902
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Another point of view, an excerpt from an interview to Yannick Guyomarc'h, arrived 78th (last) at Valparaiso. From Worldrallyraid.com
EPIC interview with an ironman malle-moto!!!!
Thanks a lot for the link. Amazing, really!

In the good old African times, people would spend the night out in the dunes, arrive at the Bivouac in the morning, grab the roadbook, take the Departure Control, sleep an hour and continue. I remember lots of stories like this then. Saharan nights in January are not a walk in the park - temperatures can go bellow freezing - but people used to endure it with just riding gear, a survival sheet and a hole in the sand.

With the new "Andine style" Dakar, overnighting at 4000 mts with just what you carry on the motorcycle is prolly fatal.

What I don't understand is why, on this kind of stages, there aren't a few CP's with a time-limit established before-hand. At the briefing, on the roadbook, it should be clear: "if you don't reach CPx by hh:mm time, you are excluded and cannot proceed". This is standard practice on some amateur rallys.

This wouldn't solve the official misdirecting racers problem, like Jan Vesely suffered. IMHO tHey should have been readmitted with a time penalty. They followed the rules and instructions, the orga fucked-up, they should be allowed to proceed. Not entirely fair to the others that weren't caught up in the Orga's failure, but still a fairer outcome.
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Old 03-05-2014, 05:56 AM   #3903
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What I don't understand is why, on this kind of stages, there aren't a few CP's with a time-limit established before-hand. At the briefing, on the roadbook, it should be clear: "if you don't reach CPx by hh:mm time, you are excluded and cannot proceed". This is standard practice on some amateur rallys.
According to the Dakar regs under Timing/CP closure, exactly this information is included with the stage schedule/summary information that is distributed with the roadbook. (whether many participants read, understand or take notice of this is entirely another matter).



Put simply, the rule defines the CP cut-off time as being 60 minutes AFTER the theoretical passage of the last competitor who starts the day/stage. This determined by an average speed for the stage/in relation to the (cumulative) distance of the CP from the SS start.

The thing is, that many competitors at the blunt end of the pack (who have enough on their plates as is) often have little idea of what these time limits/cut off regulations entail etc. until they are faced with the situation where the sweeper truck is already breathing down their neck and they are under the hammer.

It's become apparent to me over the years that oftimes it is only once a competitor is faced with the consequence of exclusion and they consider lodging an appeal/protest in an attempt to keep themselves from being disqualified - that they actually take the opportunity to acquaint themselves with the rules (and understand what they mean/consequences are).
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:06 AM   #3904
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If some kind soul is able to provide the total distance of CP3 on the SS3 (canyongate stage), you can determine what the cut off time for that CP should have been.
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:17 AM   #3905
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If some kind soul is able to provide the total distance of CP3 on the SS3 (canyongate stage), you can determine what the cut off time for that CP should have been.
That would be CP2, 300 km?

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The distances for tomorrow, if they keep the stage as is and don't shorten it.
Previous years, WP tracking only started working on stage 3 or 4 and breaks again on the last stage so nothing to worry about.



WP1 @ 52km
WP2 @ 106km
WP3 @ 147km
CP1/WP4/refuel @ 188km
WP5 @ 217km
WP6 @ 272km
WP7 @ 287km (or @ CP2)
CP2 @ 300km
WP8 @ 303km (or @ CP2)
WP9 @ 348km
ASS @ 373km

And hopefully, fimp gets through the stage and Pal gets his bike back
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:20 AM   #3906
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Troy, what's Last CCR (Credence Clearwater Revival)?? on the table above?
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:31 AM   #3907
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That would be CP2, 300 km?

Yes... I believe so (I referred tp CP3 earlier - as Bluebull did - incorrectly).

But this is the CP just before the big climb to altitude @ 4000 m + and approximately 70 km's from the finish of the stage...

So; (EDIT)

The original SS3 distance was 373 km's. The shedule allowed for 5 hours running time. Which is an average of 48 km/h.

SS3 actual start for this stage was at the 130 km point... so effective running distance to CP2 was 170 km.

The last rider to start SS3 took the DSS at 11:02 am. At an average speed of 48 km/h, plus 15 minutes (nutralisation time at refuel) gives the last rider a theoretical passage time at CP2 of 14:49 PM.

The CP closing time for CP2 on SS3 (for the moto/quad category) should have been 15:49 pm.

I don't know what time it got dark that day?
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:34 AM   #3908
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Troy, what's Last CCR (Credence Clearwater Revival)?? on the table above?
I don't know what the direct translation of the initials CCR translate to... but counting back from the times... i think it is the sheduled arrival time of the last theoretical competitor (or perhaps the sweep crew?) to the various control points/bivouac locations. ie: the caboose of the dakar train.
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I don't know what time it got dark that day?
Sunset in Peru at that time of year (January) is approx 18.40
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Sunset in Peru at that time of year (January) is approx 18.40
did you get that from the almanac... or our good mate upstairs...? (cause he's been at my calculator again) (thanx Brodo )
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:47 AM   #3911
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I don't know what time it got dark that day?
For SanJuan, Argentina (closest city):

6 Jan 2014 Sunrise: 06:37 Sunset: 20:43 Daylenght: 14h 06m 17s,

205'ed by Balkan. Anyway, cuttoff at 15:49 and 73km to hike for the Bivouac until sunset at 20:50, looks prudent enough. So last question to close the Post-mortem, were the guys stopped at CP2 before or after 15:49?
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:56 AM   #3912
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So last question to close the Post-mortem, were the guys stopped at CP2 before or after 15:49?


Ja... dat's for sure da qvestion vhat we are all vundering about... jah...??!!
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did you get that from the almanac... or our good mate upstairs...? (cause he's been at my calculator again) (thanx Brodo )
For some reason I have Peru in my mobile phone amongst other cities...) 2000+ kilometers away... I remind me of the iritracks in merzouga last year
Good mate will always be present Troy... Laughing at us when he crunches the numbers with his calculator
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Ja... dat's for sure da qvestion vhat we are all vundering about... jah...??!!
Now, you go and search the megathread for the CP times, please
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Now, you go and search the megathread for the CP times, please
http://trackingdakar.nl/

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