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Old 03-08-2014, 02:20 PM   #91
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Panic stopping at the first sign of yellow will get you rear ended. I stopped for a yellow light too short in front of a cop once, he was pissed. He was planning on rolling through like a normal person, I made him slam on his brakes, he didn't like that much.
I totally agree that panic stopping can get you rear ended sometimes, as people follow to close. Always a good idea to check your 6. However, going through the intersection late yellow may have you t-bone someone turning left, usually with more serious results, and quite possibly putting yourself to blame.
If you get rear ended, correct me if I'm wrong, but it is almost always the person following's fault because they were:
a) following too close
b) not taking conditions into account (snow, rain, etc)

As for you having a cop pissed off at you for stopping at a yellow light? That's just poor law enforcement, or lack thereof, and an affront to proper LEO's. If he didn't want to slam on his brakes, he could consider not following so damn close. Screw the yellow light, you could have been stopping for a kid or animal running out in the street.

The only time I've heard someone decide in favour of the vehicle behind was when a drunk was too far into an intersection at a red light and floored it in reverse into/over my dad's Sunbeam.
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Old 03-09-2014, 01:02 PM   #92
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Here's the thing...

In each and EVERY case, whenever the PROPER yellow light timing has been set in an intersection with a red light camera, the camera has become unprofitable and has been removed. Proper meaning the guidelines set by NHTSA and engineering studies. So any intersection with a "profitable" red light camera is running improper yellow light timing. We all know these cameras are nothing but scams. I agree with all the others -- ignore it. Until you get something you have to sign for, or a personal summons, to hell with it. THEN FIGHT IT, even if you lose. It'll help clog up the system.

Speaking of summonseses and stuff, what's the deal with Oregon? I got a regular ticket there a couple months ago and was NOT asked to sign it. He just handed me the slip and said have a nice day. To me, this is therefore not a promise to appear and is not legally enforceable. I've done nothing about it and don't plan to, again, until I have to SIGN something. Seems to me this is a violation of some constitutional right that nobody has bothered to fight yet.

Rob
Not exactly. You were personally served by a sworn officer. His signature on the citation attests to proper service. Same as an officer of the court making service upon you at your front door.

The cop's other choice would have been to escort you to the courthouse to post bond. He was doing you a favor. I've had it both ways.
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Old 03-09-2014, 01:22 PM   #93
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In all these pages I have not seen it noted that the rule/custom/standard of running a red light is that you enter the intersection (cross the "stop here" stripe) AFTER the light goes red. If you enter the intersection while the the light is yellow there is no infraction, even if goes red a millisecond after your bumper crosses the stripe. So, which one was it? That's all that really matters.
Believe it or not, that varies from state to state. OR has a law that essentially says the yellow means stop, and entering the intersection on the yellow is currently the same ticket as on a red. Stupid, and solely to generate revenue.

Every state deals with photo tickets differently, so advice here for one state is quite possibly wrong for another. And then there are the companies that are sending out the photo tickets that aren't law enforcement, which is done differently everywhere and subject to different standards in some states.

I got a photo red light ticket in Fife, WA a few years ago. Great quality photo of my car, with me driving, clearly taken well before I got to the stop line. The ticket also stated that before responding to the citation, I should go to the web site and view the other pictures there. Hmm, ok, so I go to the web site and there are great shots! All of me behind the stop line. So I plead not guilty and mailed it off, (with the required check!).

I get a follow up letter saying to go to another web site and watch the video. Sure thing, I go there and watch another great quality video of my car, with me clearly the driver, as the truck in front of me completely blows the red light, and I come to a complete stop before the stop line, then move forward a foot or so to better see, come to another complete stop, then turn right on the red, (legal in WA), and drive off.

I wrote back telling them that yes, I had watched the video, clearly showing that I didn't violate the law. And still pleading not guilty.

A few weeks later I got my check back and a notice from a judge that had, written in red ink, buy hand, "Warning!" across it with acknowledgment of my not guilty status. Apparently no one actually watched the video until my last letter. And apparently I've been warned not to return to that crappy, wide spot in the road, named Fife or I'll be again cited unjustly.

Odds are once a red light camera is triggered, that vehicle and the next two or three are getting sent tickets in the mail. If you get a ticket, first step would be to ask to see the full documentation of your 'event'.
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Old 03-11-2014, 04:05 PM   #94
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Anyone else notice that the OP has not reappeared once in this thread, and so the ADV Hive Mind still has no idea where in the world he or she lives or what advice to dispense?

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Old 03-12-2014, 02:28 AM   #95
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Speaking of summonseses and stuff, what's the deal with Oregon? I got a regular ticket there a couple months ago and was NOT asked to sign it. He just handed me the slip and said have a nice day. To me, this is therefore not a promise to appear and is not legally enforceable. I've done nothing about it and don't plan to, again, until I have to SIGN something. Seems to me this is a violation of some constitutional right that nobody has bothered to fight yet.

Rob
Oregon has no requirement to sign the citation. You should probably contact the court ASAP. If it's been several months, your license is probably suspended and there is a possibility they issued a warrant for your arrest, depending what you were charged with.
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