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Old 03-14-2014, 06:10 PM   #61
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Sorry, fellas---got a little behind in my correspondence.

Originally Posted by wyowanderer View Post
Wow! Great write-up and comparison of the two bikes. That was as thorough of a comparison as they get!
Glad you "liked" it---I tried to be as complete as possible. I get a little carried away with some of that stuff, but I thought---with a fair number of miles on each bike (and both being pretty "fascinating" bikes)---I might be in as good a position as the next guy to write up my thoughts.

Originally Posted by Pantah View Post
I read the Adirondack RR. Yeah, it looks like that. Very green... Vermont and the rest of New England looks alot like that too. Villages with a little common in the middle with a couple of steeples standing guard over them. The farms are pretty awesome around these parts too, with their stone walls and interesting add-ons build by the generations that lived there.

I like the west best, but I have friends who don't. Too brown they say. My place in AZ is in the higher desert well north of Phoenix. To me it is very lush and green with its variety of desert plant life, but it's not for everybody I guess.

Thanks, Doc, for that great comparison report between your Duc and your new BMW. Very concise! I am sort of missing my old KTM 950. I should ride the new GS to see what it is like. I am surprised to read you think the new version is so different from the older models. I might try one of the new KTM 1190's too.

Well, ya gotta understand that I've spent the VAST majority of my near-seven-decades on Planet Earth in very BROWN country---and pretty "junky" brown country at that. So a tidy village with lots of greenery, a little common at the center, and the odd steeple sounds PRETTY DARN GOOD from where I sit.

I love the desert (I hope that comes through in my Ride Reports), but---as I've said numerous times---I love pretty much ALL country (ain't no "flyover" country in Dr. Greg's store of maps). But I've seen almost all of the US West (and I plan to see a lot of it again over the next 26 years), but not so much east of the Mississippi. Gotta give some of that country a chance, too...

And I'm glad that you enjoyed the comparison. We've had discussion about bikes over the years, and---while I appreciate your thoughts on "going smaller" (and I value your opinion highly, BTW)---I guess I really wanted a big-enough bike to ride across the country, and then back again. Plus as I said I always thought I should be on a big GS. And they finally built one that I like (and yes, it impressed me as a LOT different). The KTM 1190 is undoubtedly awesome, but it's got that friggin' chain (oh yeah, we had THAT talk, too ).

Originally Posted by Ol Man View Post
Thanks for taking the time to do the trip report for us.
You're most welcome Ol Man (hey, that oughta be MY screen name ) Glad you followed along. I'll try to do a little more riding (and writing) in 2014 than in 2013. Dunno what happened last year ?

Originally Posted by joenuclear View Post
I never bumped into you on the BadWeb forum. I had 2 Ulysses with a Street Glide between them.

Kimberly flew out to the Tri-Cities and we rode back through Lolo Pass, Yellowstone, the Grand Tetons and Jackson Hole before the Buell started missing occasionally. In Northern Oklahoma the fuel pump went out and it was trailered home is the correct H-D fashion.

It took H-D 6 weeks to fix the pump so it was traded in on a Gold Wing.
Did I tell you I knew you from BadWeB? I meant that comment for "OurDee"---oh, well, no harm done. But with two Ulys you SHOULDA bumped into me on BadWeB---that's THE forum for all things Buell

Sounds like you had a great trip right up until the fuel pump went. Since I've owned FI bikes, I've never had a fuel pump bite the dust , but man, once it goes you're up the creek, aren't you...there's still a lot to be said for a good ol' gravity-fed carburetor . Well, I've still got my '91 Hawk (sure feels SMALL after the big ADV bikes )

And after all that, SIX WEEKS?!? No wonder you traded. I had generally quite good luck with my two '06 Ulys; they both gave me a little trouble...just enough trouble so I still kept thinkin' about 'em. That's prolly what they wanted.

And thanks again to Kimberley for that "Drive Friendly" grammar correction---I try to be grammatically correct, except when I'm not. Make sense?

Originally Posted by DS Hobo View Post
About 10 miles further along I spotted this string of 20-30 flatcars carryin' something---couldn't figure out what these things were. Eyeball Figure 101 and lemme know if you can figure it out. Just curious.

Figure 101. Long string of flatcars carryin' something...what?

I really enjoyed your RR, by the way.
FINALLY someone enlightened me---thank you very much. CONCRETE RAILROAD TIES! Who'da thunk it? Concrete seems almost sacreligious---whatsa matter with good ol' creosote-soaked hardwood? Come to think of it, I've got much better uses for hardwood than railroad ties (like beautiful picture frames, which is my current woodworking project).

Oh yeah, glad you enjoyed the Ride Report. I enjoy writin' those crazy things, but it IS nice to get the odd compliment .

Originally Posted by Gale B.T. View Post
Nice write up DR. G on the bikes. I am not too surprised on your choices.

I will never forget our first meeting , first ride together ,you on that Buell , on the two track from Sipapu over to Angel Fire. Sandy and I still share all that happened on that trip/weekend.

I might add, you did very well on that street tired Buell

Thanks for the info, have fun
Gale, your opinion is the most valued one---thank you, sir.

I, too, will never forget our first meeting---ADV WestFest 2007 in Sipapu, NM, IIRC. You said on FR 76 I rode that Uly "like a 250 2-stroke"---I've often remembered that comment when I've felt bad about my riding skill (especially coming from you). That was a great ride, and I, too, have often reminisced about that time. However, I will correct you on one thing: I had shod the Uly with (fairly) rare (or at least unusual) "SuperMoto rain tires" for that trip---closest thing available at that time to a dual-sport shoe for that size. IIRC the rear was shot after about 1,000 miles, but the front hung in there for quite a while

Sure nice that there is now a better choice of tires for the big ADV, if I could just get the nut between the handlebars to tighten up a little...

Originally Posted by LeSprinter View Post
Reading your RR has been enjoyable on several levels. One, because I sometimes miss New Mexico’s great scenery, especially while partaking in two wheeled travel of either the human or petrol powered variety. Even more so because my life changed so much after moving there in 1980, and at least partly that was to your credit. I graduated from UNM with a BS in ME in '83, having taken and survived a few of your courses. It’s a good thing I managed to keep that double integrator experiment from railing as it’s the only way I could ever manage an A grade. I’m sure there are many, many similar stories as mine, but I have never looked you up to say thanks, so here it is… THANKS.
Wow, VERY COOL! The "double-integrator" experiment---now here's someone who can attest that I'm a real controls engineer! Actually, I'd appreciate you PMing me (or I'll ping you) your "real name" because I'm sure I remember you from the early 80s. Ah yes, that was back when I still enjoyed my "professor" job. After about 25 years, the enjoyment dropped off a bit ...

Most importantly, I read your BMW-Ducati comparison and nearly fell off the chair when I saw you actually programmed an electronic cruise control in the Ducati chip. Thinking about it a bit more it really shouldn’t have surprised me. I just chose a new Super Tenere, over the Tiger Explorer, in spite of the lack of cruise control and would love to try to do the same on it. Apparently the new 2014 model will have it so maybe there will be a retro-fit kit, but if not then I would like to know what was involved. Feel free to PM me if you don’t want to put everyone else to sleep with the root locus etc.
Please climb back ON YOUR CHAIR because I didn't do the programming---I simply flashed in S/W that "Wayne" at Australian company Tuneboy, Ltd. had developed. Wayne is a certifiable genius (IMHO), with the rare combination of skills (controls engineer, fieldbus knowledge, motorcycle guru) to develop such a product. In all fairness, I did write a paper on the "tuning" of the cruise control gains that I sent to Wayne to show him what I meant (can't find it now), but HE deserves ALL THE CREDIT for the Ducati Multistrada cruise control.

Congrats on your new Super Tenere---I rode one, and they're very solid bikes. I'm sure you'll love it. It really surprises me when a manufacturer doesn't fit a cruise control to a "touring" bike that is ALREADY throttle-by-wire. All it takes is software (and trust me, the software alone (typical proportional-integral-derivative stuff) isn't that hard for a controls engineer). I mean, most cars have had them for decades.

Originally Posted by WoodButcher View Post
Thanks for writing that up. GB wasn't the only one wanting to see what you thought.
Thanks, WoodButcher (man, that oughta be my screen name considering some of my woodworking projects ). I joked that GB's appeal for it was what sparked me, but I hope that MANY readers got something out of it. It was fun to write up that comparison, although I gotta admit that when I looked back over my MANY photos of my Ducati Multistrada (that bike is GORGEOUS) I had a couple second thoughts. But NO, not really. I honestly do like the GSW better, at this point in my life, for the riding I do now.

Originally Posted by thebugslayer View Post
Thank you for another great RR and especially for taking the time to write a clear and helpful comparison between the MTS and the GSW. Great stuff!
You, sir, are MOST welcome. For both. The Ride Reports are always fun to write (mostly because next winter I read them again myself and think "warm" thoughts ), and the "comparison" was something I've thought I should write up. Just took a little proddin' (thanks, GB) for me to finally do it.

Originally Posted by oldandgray View Post
Those rail cars are loaded with concrete railroad ties, they are replacing the old wood ties with these new concrete ones.
YAWN... Doesn't EVERYBODY know those are concrete railroad ties? HA, ha, just kidding---I just learned that a few minutes ago, couldn't resist bein' ornery. I suppose that wooden ties DO have a finite lifetime (don't we all ) and concrete will be a longer-lived replacement. Thanks very much for your answer!

PS. Hmmm, "oldandgray"---another screen name that should be MINE I guess there are a bunch of us.

Originally Posted by GB View Post
Thanks Doc for your thoughts. FYI: When I test rode a 2010 MTS12, I thought the fueling was as you described and to me that was a deal breaker. I now have a Gen 2 ('13 MTS GT) the fueling is perfect and the rear brake works as it should. As for the bike sounding like a lawn mower, I dunno, to me the desmo wail under hard acceleration is music to my ears You may want to retract that statement before the Desmo Devil strikes you down!! Thanks again for the detailed comparo.

I take it the GSW's boxer has lost it's "agricultural tractor" feel?
Ah, the man for which this "comparison" was written. Interesting that they've finally got the fueling straightened out...excellent. Also glad you have a rear brake. I don't use the rear much, but when ya want it it should be there. My rear brake drove me nuts---they couldn't do anything with this. And the maintenance thing was big for me---I'll be doing the 12,000 mile maintenance on the GSW next week.

But I had many, MANY wonderful trips (and day rides) on the MTS1200S. That bike still fits me the best of any of the "big" ADV bikes. And I do have a history with Ducatis. So I'm tickled with your new ride, and I wish you the best of luck. Great bike.

Re sound: the whole topic of "aural sex" is, um, rather subjective. The main thing is that YOU like the way YOUR bike sounds. And looks. And feels. And all that kinda stuff.

The DESMO DEVIL and I have a long, and checkered relationship . We've agreed to disagree, and even agreed to AGREE on occasion. Let me know when you hit the 50,000 mile (km?) mark on your MTS, and I'd be interested in how it's treating you. Like I said...great bike.

Most of these "newer" bikes are so good, that it's entirely a matter of personal preference. I guess that's what we've been talkin' about in all these comparisons. To each his own. It's a free country. And all that. Ride what you like and like what you ride. To each his own. A dollar down and a dollar a day...oops, better quit typin'...

OK fellas, perhaps this RR is well and truly coming to a close. It's been fun. I'm thinking a nice April trip would be to the Great Basin National Park, in eastern Nevada. GaleBT, I might be stoppin' by your place sometime during that trip.


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