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Old 03-19-2014, 08:39 AM   #1531
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I'm getting that Christmas Eve anticipation! Can't wait to see the livery for the Yamahas.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2014/M...il+2014+livery
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Old 03-19-2014, 08:56 AM   #1532
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Me too.......here literally just been uncovered

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Old 03-19-2014, 10:37 AM   #1533
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Nice, I like it better than the "chrome" they had on the fairing the past two years.


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Old 03-19-2014, 10:50 AM   #1534
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Old 03-19-2014, 12:00 PM   #1535
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I hate to be a debbie downer, but those fairings are about as messy as LCR's. Yuck.
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Old 03-19-2014, 12:26 PM   #1536
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I hate to be a debbie downer, but those fairings are about as messy as LCR's. Yuck.
You are welcome to pony up some 8-figure cash to clean up the look.
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Old 03-19-2014, 12:36 PM   #1537
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Dead since '58, when they banned full fairings.



(Although they're allowed on electric racers, apparently. Image linked through from this RideApart article.)

I disagree. It died in 1946, when the FIM outlawed supercharging

http://www.odd-bike.com/2014/02/dkw-...force-fed.html
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Old 03-19-2014, 12:51 PM   #1538
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I disagree. It died in 1946, when the FIM outlawed supercharging

http://www.odd-bike.com/2014/02/dkw-...force-fed.html
And it became graveyard dead when they stopped going to the IOM.
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Old 03-19-2014, 03:29 PM   #1539
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Although that sex change hasn't been really last-minute. It was in the air since the "Open" regulations came out...
The switch from CRT to Open was announced October 2013. January 2014 Ducati was still denying they had any plans to switch the factory team to Open. I realize that as time passed people started suggesting Ducati moving to Open as a desperation move, but early on no one considered it.
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Old 03-19-2014, 04:39 PM   #1540
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Well, actually it was in November 2013 when they announced that Yonny Hernandez would ride with Ducati in 2014 as an Open entry.
Then all the fuss came out only when they decided to enter also the rest of the bikes as Open (and as you wrote it was since January that the word did spread about a possible "switch") but I wonder why nobody complained at the time on Hernandez's bike when technically it was (and is) the same as the Ducatis that now everyone is complaining about...
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Old 03-19-2014, 04:57 PM   #1541
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... I wonder why nobody complained at the time on Hernandez's bike when technically it was (and is) the same as the Ducatis that now everyone is complaining about...
Cause it was the satellite team. It seems a little different when by Ducati's switch to Open, MotoGP was left in effect with only two factories.

And it would be bad for business if the aliens lost the championship because so much of an advantage was given to the Open class. I hear some talk that Dorna left the door open for Ducati to do what they did in order to speed up the move to control ECUs, but given the unhappiness with 2007's lopsided tire performance, I'm skeptical Dorna would want to go there again for any reason.
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:24 PM   #1542
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It seems a little different when by Ducati's switch to Open, MotoGP was left in effect with only two factories.
Ducati was so far behind (and still fading) that there were already only two factories.
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:26 PM   #1543
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Fair point. Like Espargaro said at the conference today, there were only 4 bikes capable of winning.
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Old 03-19-2014, 06:45 PM   #1544
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The complaints were based on technicalities, and not because there were only two brands competing with Factory rules. Dorna didn't bother. On the contrary they were happy!
And come on, does anyone really thinks that any of the pilots in the Open class have a real shot at winning the championship even with all those advantages?
Take a closer look:
Bikes - they are all running inferior machines (Ducati's TT - older Yammy - Honda slow RCV and old CRT's)
Teams - they are all running with inferior software (it has been said that apart the Ducati team no one knows how to handle the new and improved software)
Riders - they are no "aliens". Put them on the same factory bikes as the really fast guys and they will get beaten by them.
Not a chance.
Truth is Open bikes don't have a chance in winning a single race, let alone the championship. And if it rains or every factory riders is injured they still have Gresini's and LCR's Hondas and Tech3's Yamahas to deal with.
Very hard to get to a podium...
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Old 03-19-2014, 06:51 PM   #1545
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I disagree. It died in 1946, when the FIM outlawed supercharging

http://www.odd-bike.com/2014/02/dkw-...force-fed.html

Yes, in many ways that's more apt. Except that the internet tells me it was the FICM (Fédération Internationale des Clubs Motocyclistes) and the ban predated not only the FIM but the world championship.

End of the road for the Velocette Roarer.

And so another alternative is the FIM's pesky and short-sighted restriction of the engine swept volume to 500cc when it set up the world championship for 1949. Which I can guess was aimed at filling the grids, keeping costs down and promoting variety.
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