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Old 03-09-2014, 02:22 PM   #31
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Suzuki DL 650 or DR650 or DRZ400.
Any two will cost about the same as either of the Euro bikes you are looking at.
So unless you must have one for prestige, get a DL rod bike and a Drz dirt bike and choose which one suits the trip you have in mind.

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Old 03-10-2014, 08:28 AM   #32
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Love Guzzi's. I've owned five so far and will own another. All 8 valve Guzzis require 10-60 4T for the top end to live. Certain aspects of Guzzi maintenance are easy but $20/quart, hard to find engine oil isn't one of them. Neither is 6,250 mile valve check intervals.

And....yes, I would put the total maintenance costs and time involved of a V-Strom against an 8 valve Guzzi any day of the week;-). All the $80 oil changes, oil pressure sending units, plastic in-tank fuel filters failing, etc would add up over time.

$20 bucks a quart? Where you buyin' your oil? I pay 13.95 for mine which is right in line with any good synthetic. No, I can't find it at a gas station, but I don't have any issue planning around oil changes and the thing never leaks nor burns any so it's not really an issue.

I've not heard of a single Stelvio losing an oil pressure sender. If it happened, I wouldn't imagine it on more than a couple and would blame a random crap sender. I've got 50,000 miles on mine and have had no issues with the sender, in tank fuel filter etc. Don't know anyone that has either. FWIW, I did a trip up to Alaska and back to New England a couple of Summers ago and didn't touch the valves on it for the 10,000 miles of the trip. Ran fine. Adjusted and changed oil when I got home.

I've got a buddy with a VeeStrom. I've ridden it. It's a good bike, but I wouldn't trade the Stelvio for 6 of 'em.
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:11 AM   #33
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Stelvio is a nice looking machine. I wonder if CC is in the works?
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Old 03-11-2014, 09:50 PM   #34
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Certain aspects of Guzzi maintenance are easy but $20/quart, hard to find engine oil isn't one of them. Neither is 6,250 mile valve check intervals.
Anyone can get a case of Agip 10w-60 (Guzzi suggested) shipped to their house for $12 per liter off eBay all day long. Motul isn't hard to find in a pinch.
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Old 03-12-2014, 04:35 PM   #35
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Anyone can get a case of Agip 10w-60 (Guzzi suggested) shipped to their house for $12 per liter off eBay all day long. Motul isn't hard to find in a pinch.
How about in Guatemala? Or in any non first world country? Pointing out that most people need to buy oil online for their Guzzis only serves to illustrate my point regarding some of the hurdles to Guzzi maintenance.

I'll say it again...I love Guzzis but they require more maintenance than typical Japanese machines. I used to order Motul and Agip online for my 1200 Sport. I paid quite a bit more than twelve bucks a quart.

The 8 valve Guzzis are not under stressed to the same degree as something like the Vstrom. The 8 valve is great and robust but the clutch will need work by 100k and any Guzzi owner cringes when a clutch needs to be done. CARC is awesome...1000 times better than Paralever...but it's not rebuildable. So...while it's not likely to fail, it'll have to be replaced eventually and it's a grand(in parts)when it happens.

If the Stelvio didn't weigh 600 pounds, I'd have one. A Stelvio is about 47 bazillion percent more lustworthy than a Vstrom. What it isn't...is easier to maintain or likely to outlast a Vstrom is both bikes are given the same care. Just my .02
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Old 03-13-2014, 06:41 AM   #36
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How about in Guatemala? Or in any non first world country? Pointing out that most people need to buy oil online for their Guzzis only serves to illustrate my point regarding some of the hurdles to Guzzi maintenance.
Had issues getting oil and filter in Guatemala?

I have never paid more than $13 per quart for any 10w-60. I can buy parts all day long online, have access to parts and service manuals for free, and do all the service work on my bike in a couple of drinks and a few runs of a good blues CD. Not to mention the Guzzi community is one of the best I've run across.

It's a quirky Italian bike. It's not for everyone, thank god. It will outlast me, I'm sure.
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Old 03-13-2014, 06:53 AM   #37
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Of all the bikes I've owned, my DL650 has been the most trouble-free and best value machine. I am impressed by it every time I get on it.
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Old 03-13-2014, 07:20 AM   #38
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How about in Guatemala? Or in any non first world country? Pointing out that most people need to buy oil online for their Guzzis only serves to illustrate my point regarding some of the hurdles to Guzzi maintenance.

I'll say it again...I love Guzzis but they require more maintenance than typical Japanese machines. I used to order Motul and Agip online for my 1200 Sport. I paid quite a bit more than twelve bucks a quart.

The 8 valve Guzzis are not under stressed to the same degree as something like the Vstrom. The 8 valve is great and robust but the clutch will need work by 100k and any Guzzi owner cringes when a clutch needs to be done. CARC is awesome...1000 times better than Paralever...but it's not rebuildable. So...while it's not likely to fail, it'll have to be replaced eventually and it's a grand(in parts)when it happens.

If the Stelvio didn't weigh 600 pounds, I'd have one. A Stelvio is about 47 bazillion percent more lustworthy than a Vstrom. What it isn't...is easier to maintain or likely to outlast a Vstrom is both bikes are given the same care. Just my .02
There was a trip around the world done by and Italian recently on his Stelvio. The trip included South and Central America. Availability of parts and maintenance items didn't seem to stop him.
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Old 03-13-2014, 11:30 PM   #39
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I think they all make a good bike. get one that fits your needs best..
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Old 03-19-2014, 11:49 PM   #40
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suzuki dl 650 or dr650 or drz400.
Any two will cost about the same as either of the euro bikes you are looking at.
So unless you must have one for prestige, get a dl rod bike and a drz dirt bike and choose which one suits the trip you have in mind.

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Old 03-22-2014, 03:46 PM   #41
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Aprilia Caponord 1000. Mine got its first valve reshim at 65k mile still on its second chain & front sprocket with original rear sprocket 'flipped over' at 32k mile. its now 75k but many are up around 150k now with no rebuilds reported AFAIK.
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Old 03-22-2014, 04:52 PM   #42
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Old 03-22-2014, 09:48 PM   #43
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Wouldn't surprise me if it was still running. Ok, maybe a "little" surprised...

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Old 06-21-2014, 07:16 PM   #44
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:06 AM   #45
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Also a DL1000 with over 300,000 miles running around out there. The owner has listed the complete maintenance history and the extent of his problems in that time was 1 stator, everything else done to the bike was just routine maintenance. Still on the original clutch.
It has 330,000 miles on it now. I did replace the clutch plates with new ones when I put the Werks clutch basket on at 303K. The plates were all still within spec! (but I didnt reuse them) I had the water impeller shaft come apart from the spinner at 329K. Other than that its so far a been pretty good bike.
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