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Old 02-28-2014, 05:39 AM   #3226
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I had an EWS error that was caused by the gas tank rubbing through a wire on the right front side. '05 GS, I got it to start once after I got the error and got home, but that was it. I think '06 was the only year that had defective antennas.
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Old 03-29-2014, 02:00 PM   #3227
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EWS fault and stuck in Ushuaia

Guys, thanks for the help. Got the bike shipped 2,000 miles to the dealer in Buenos Aires. Turns out it was the BMS-KP.

Currently trying to get one in the US.

Due to the import regs in Argentina it could take 5 months to get one imported. Be warned about riding in Argentina, fantastic rides but no spares and service difficult if you get these kinds of problems. The shop in BUE has been helpful so far but still looks like it'll take about 3 months or maybe 4 to get it sorted out.

I have arranged for Wilbers shocks to replace my damaged units but can't get them sent till the computer is fixed. Overall an very expensive clusterf**k.

Probably should have tried to ship the bike to the US from Ushuaia, repaired it and sold it. Maybe could have happened to any bike but I have 2 x Super Tenere's and both have been dead reliable however one is still lower mileage.

My BM has done 17K miles.

If anyone has any ideas about getting the spares into Argentina I'd appreciate any advice I can get.

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Old 05-05-2014, 04:13 AM   #3228
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Slightly new twist on this problem - any ideas?

Hi -- I'm new here and I read every post in this 10 year long thread last night looking for insight (and found a lot of it - thank you). I have a BRAND NEW 2014 R1200GS with 300 miles on it. I was setting up my toolkit for the bike over the weekend and one of the things I like to carry is a small air compressor to fix flats. I don't have anything specifically for motorcycles, just one of those cheapo Chinese units that cost like $10.

I decided to test the air compressor before filing it away in my pannier. I didn't really know much or understand the canbus system when I plugged the compressor in to the canbus controlled power outlet on the machine. The compressor ran for about 1/2 second and then cut out. I figured I had blown a fuse (I know now - none to be found) but quickly discovered that the bike would not start and the immobilization lock was to blame.

I let the bike sit for about and hour and then it started. I figured that the computer reset itself and all was now fine. That proved to NOT be the case. The immobilizer now locks out intermittently. I find that most of the time it is locked out but every now and then, I put the key in and it starts. Then a few hours later, it doesn't.

My spare keys are about 250 miles away from where I am so I have not tested with another key. I am going to get the bike back to the dealer this week but my dealer is also about 250 miles away.

Anybody got any ideas on what's happening? Could the compressor have somehow done some damage to the BMS-K, ring antenna, or key?
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Old 05-05-2014, 05:21 AM   #3229
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The compressor issue and the key issue are not related. Most likely you have a bad antenna or key. This is a first for the Wethead so far.
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Old 05-05-2014, 08:45 AM   #3230
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Hi -- I'm new here and I read every post in this 10 year long thread last night looking for insight (and found a lot of it - thank you). I have a BRAND NEW 2014 R1200GS with 300 miles on it. I was setting up my toolkit for the bike over the weekend and one of the things I like to carry is a small air compressor to fix flats. I don't have anything specifically for motorcycles, just one of those cheapo Chinese units that cost like $10.

I decided to test the air compressor before filing it away in my pannier. I didn't really know much or understand the canbus system when I plugged the compressor in to the canbus controlled power outlet on the machine. The compressor ran for about 1/2 second and then cut out. I figured I had blown a fuse (I know now - none to be found) but quickly discovered that the bike would not start and the immobilization lock was to blame.

I let the bike sit for about and hour and then it started. I figured that the computer reset itself and all was now fine. That proved to NOT be the case. The immobilizer now locks out intermittently. I find that most of the time it is locked out but every now and then, I put the key in and it starts. Then a few hours later, it doesn't.

My spare keys are about 250 miles away from where I am so I have not tested with another key. I am going to get the bike back to the dealer this week but my dealer is also about 250 miles away.

Anybody got any ideas on what's happening? Could the compressor have somehow done some damage to the BMS-K, ring antenna, or key?
First the compressor most probably required more amps than the plug in on your bike could deliver and system shut itself down...I think 5 amps is max for this "accessory" plug...

Next remember the EWS, at least on my bike, also denotes a weak battery charge or failure...my OEM battery was never correctly charged by the dealer; perhaps the 300 miles was insufficient to charge your battery. In fact the OEM battery needed to be replaced in one year.

Lastly, if the antennae ring truly locks you out, "immobilizes"; I do not believe it will 'correct itself' [not intermittent]; you will need to take it to a BMW dealer to 'turn off' the immobilizer by setting one of the backup key codes [10 per bike?] and re-keying your bike

But I could be wrong.
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Old 05-05-2014, 08:59 AM   #3231
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I had "EWS" in Utah on my 2007 Adventure in 2008 and it was intermittent. The next day it started and then came back with "EWS" again when I shut off again. I believe I got it started two more times after waiting hours.
SLC BMW robbed the ring off a new bike to get me going and never had a problem after.

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PS My avatar is the day after I got it fixed at....... the Bonneville Salt Flats! :-)
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Old 05-05-2014, 09:37 AM   #3232
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My friend bought a 2013 R1200GS WC. It happend a few months ago so we took the key out, wait 5 minutes and re-applied the key...the error code disappeared. Bike was good for a few months.

Last month at the border or Cambodia and Thailand, After parking the bike under the super hot sun during our lunch, Key error appeared again. do the same 5 mins trick...it didn't work.

Unconnect the battery twice...still couldn't start the bike.

Used the spare key...still same problem.

So I got pissed off and turn the ingnition on and off about a dozen time continuesly very fast...no luck.

I got even more pissed off because it is 38 Celsius under the Cambodia Sun so I did the same trick (turning the ignition on and off real fast continuously) while holding the start button...it f**king worked... while switching igninion on-off and holding start button, the bike just fired up and we just went on.

Bike made it home ok and it has been 2 months
since the incident...no problem so far.

It might sound stupid...but it did happened believe it or not. So I though I share it here.
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Old 05-05-2014, 03:31 PM   #3233
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I had "EWS" in Utah on my 2007 Adventure in 2008 and it was intermittent. The next day it started and then came back with "EWS" again when I shut off again. I believe I got it started two more times after waiting hours.
SLC BMW robbed the ring off a new bike to get me going and never had a problem after.

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Thanks Gary...I guess they can in fact be an intermittent problem. Odd that the "EWS" came on when you shut it off. Whole ring thing is very confusing to me and I have never heard what exactly was the reason they failed. By that I mean what was the weakness either in the ring, key or ECU.

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Old 05-05-2014, 07:34 PM   #3234
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Odd that the "EWS" came on when you shut it off.
I said that wrong.... It came on when I tried to restart!

....and the reason i never had the problem again may be due to the fact that I carried a spare key ring antenna!

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Old 05-06-2014, 04:32 AM   #3235
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Ews

My 07 failed on a 95 degree day. Stopped to get gas, then nothing.

I seem to remember there was a work around for emergencies.. kinda like a hot wire.??? Wish I knew where that link was.
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:59 AM   #3236
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My 07 failed on a 95 degree day. Stopped to get gas, then nothing.

I seem to remember there was a work around for emergencies.. kinda like a hot wire.??? Wish I knew where that link was.
the only work around is to carry a spare EWS antenna and to disconnect the one mounted on the bike, plug the spare into the wiring harness there and place it near the starter key, then it should start. BMW did not see the need to provide a back up PIN code option to start the bike, like some other bike manufacturers.
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:55 PM   #3237
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How Would That Work?

[QUOTE=GB;24103217]the only work around is to carry a spare EWS antenna and to disconnect the one mounted on the bike, plug the spare into the wiring harness there and place it near the starter key, then it should start. BMW did not see the need to provide a back up PIN code option to start the bike, like some other bike manufacturers.[/QUOTE]


How would a "back up PIN" be used in the field as a work around?

I thought the backup codes [10?] were coded into the bike's ECU [by VIN] and only a BMW dealer could assign a new PIN [code], from those assigned to that VIN, at a dealership. Then of course sell you new keys with that new code.

If there really is a work around besides plugging in a new antennae to utilize the existing PIN I sure would be all ears. Yes, I carry a spare antenna and 10 Torx to wire it in.
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Old 05-06-2014, 03:29 PM   #3238
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On a Ducati, if the bike fails to start due to an issue with the electronic key, you can bypass it by entering a 4 digit PIN thru the menu toggle switch on the left switch gear. You can also use this method if you lost or forgot your key. On Harley, I've been told it's by entering a combination using the left and right turn signal buttons, but I have no personal knowledge of the HD system. The Ducati numeric PIN is easy to enter. It's the first thing you have to do when you take ownership of the bike, create your own PIN.
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Old 05-06-2014, 04:36 PM   #3239
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On a Ducati, if the bike fails to start due to an issue with the electronic key, you can bypass it by entering a 4 digit PIN thru the menu toggle switch on the left switch gear. You can also use this method if you lost or forgot your key. On Harley, I've been told it's by entering a combination using the left and right turn signal buttons, but I have no personal knowledge of the HD system. The Ducati numeric PIN is easy to enter. It's the first thing you have to do when you take ownership of the bike, create your own PIN.
Unless a Yoda can produce such a work around for us...we BMW owners either patch in a new antenna until we can get to BMW dealer or call a tow truck to take us there...CUZ it is a stop-right-there issue..
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Old 09-26-2014, 06:21 PM   #3240
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EWS Fuckery -- 2012 GSA -- 57000 miles on the clock

I just got back last weekend from a 6000 mile Coast-to-Coast trip on my 2012 GSA and I am very thankful that this issue did not crop up while I was in BFE.

Today after work today I washed the filthy beast and then was heading out for a ride. Leaving my neighborhood she dies. I thought it might be my side stand switch but I looked at the display and saw "EWS!!" and the accompanying exclamation triangle flag.

Pushed it home, connected my GS911 and it is throwing up a 10444 fault.

I tried my other key as well and no joy.

I am betting its a bad antenna ring unless someone here knows of another failure mode that would manifest/present itself in this manner.

I am planning on replacing the failed fucker in the morning but not being mechanically inclined as I wish to be I am wondering if any of you super smart mechanically inclined folks here have come up with a better method to remove the security screws other than drilling them out. Please help! Access is horrible and I have big fat sausage hands/fingers!!!

Many many MANY thanks for any advice.

Looks like shit under there I know! But I am not sure everyone's model year uses the same style security screws so I am including this picture of mine!

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