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Old 06-02-2014, 04:15 PM   #16
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Speedo inaccuracy

I have the same issue on my standard 1190. I asked the mechanic at SLM racing in Arlington, Tx and he said its a federal mandate that a "sport bike" speedo must be 5% high. It's hard for me to believe that.
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Old 06-02-2014, 04:56 PM   #17
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I have the same issue on my standard 1190. I asked the mechanic at SLM racing in Arlington, Tx and he said its a federal mandate that a "sport bike" speedo must be 5% high. It's hard for me to believe that.
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Old 06-02-2014, 06:34 PM   #18
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Can u set the tire size in the speedo to 19? This has worked on my 640 and 950. You should see a 21 come on when u turn on the ignition. The older speedos could be changed by owner. I dont know about the newer ones. U might have to have the dealer reset it.

+1. 19 works for my 990. Spot on w/ my GPS.
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Old 06-02-2014, 07:18 PM   #19
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I stopped in at Carolina KTM today and had Scott enable the TPMS, which was left off when I bought the bike in April. I have the latest US firmware, and 10% speedo error seems about right, compared to my GPS. I was in and out of the mountains all day (up and down, besides forward) so will get a better handle on the error when I get back to flat Florida. Also curious how accurate the odo is, since everyone's concerned about mpg and miles per tank.

The only options he had on his laptop were R, S and Superduke.
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:21 PM   #20
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I have the same issue on my standard 1190. I asked the mechanic at SLM racing in Arlington, Tx and he said its a federal mandate that a "sport bike" speedo must be 5% high. It's hard for me to believe that.
I think the DOT requirement is that errors have to be less than or equal to 10%. Mine is a tad under 10%, but not much. I think the error is by design to "help" us all keep these 150 HP monsters closer to the speed limits. Lots of luck with that one KTM. The odometers are much more accurate when compared to GPS distance measurements which are always a little less than actual distances (since they sum the straight line distances between sampled location coordinates).
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Old 06-02-2014, 10:55 PM   #21
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Wellllllll . . . you could always try the "990 upgrade". My 2008 is within 0.1 mph of exactly accurate. It might be even closer.

Of course my ABS was so bad that I removed it and I have no traction control in addition to my organic computer and wrist, but maybe its worth it for an accurate speedo.
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Old 06-03-2014, 02:51 PM   #22
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Just a question really. In the USA are the speedos on all vehicles accurate compared with GPS readouts of speed?

In Europe, consumer vehicles are fitted with speedos that typically read 10% under the true speed as read on a GPS unit. It's something to do with EU regulations. We are used to it. e.g. BMW cars and bikes all read approx 10% under the true speed.

So I'm just thinking, is the situation in the USA different? Do your 4-w vehicles normally read the true speed?
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Old 06-03-2014, 02:58 PM   #23
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10% is pretty far out IMO and should be corrected. My dealer said it was "within spec" When I am traveling at 80, my GPS indicates 72MPH.

So essentially every 1000 actual miles I put on this bike the odometer is indicating 1100 miles.

I would imagine they should be able to correct this - anyone have real knowledge if this is possible?

I tried these guys but they have not solution for the 1190's: http://www.healtech-electronics.com/products/sh/


ROB: in my experience with cars 2-5% is normal but nothing beyond that.
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Old 06-03-2014, 03:55 PM   #24
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The speedo on my 990 is closer with Scorpion A/T tires than with TKC80 or 908RR. I have checked using a GPS device/app RallyBlitz

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=936183

With the 908RR or TKC80 the speedo is off 3 to 4 mph. The Scorpion is less. I can't recall the value for the Scorpions.
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Old 06-03-2014, 04:07 PM   #25
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Every motorcycle I've ever ridden had speedo error built in. Its nothing new on the 1190R. Its really not a big deal once you get used to compensating for it.
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Old 06-03-2014, 05:25 PM   #26
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my 1190R is 20% off
not kidding

when it says 115km you ride in the middle of trucks limited to 90km
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10% is pretty far out IMO and should be corrected. My dealer said it was "within spec" When I am traveling at 80, my GPS indicates 72MPH.

So essentially every 1000 actual miles I put on this bike the odometer is indicating 1100 miles.

I would imagine they should be able to correct this - anyone have real knowledge if this is possible?

I tried these guys but they have not solution for the 1190's: http://www.healtech-electronics.com/products/sh/


ROB: in my experience with cars 2-5% is normal but nothing beyond that.
I believe US DOT requires no more than 10% error. My 1190R shows speeds which are in error about 10% higher than actual speed as measured by GPS. The odometer is rather accurate. Less than 1% error when compared to the GPS distance. Using the odometer to compute mpg or GPS distance to computer mpg give about the same figures and compare closely to the mpg computed by the 1190R dash.
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Old 06-03-2014, 11:05 PM   #28
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my 1190R is 20% off
not kidding

when it says 115km you ride in the middle of trucks limited to 90km
If it is that far out, then your software version may contain the "bug" that was introduced when the first MSC upgrades were installed. There is a later version that fixes this and brings the error down to less than 10%
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Old 06-04-2014, 08:26 PM   #29
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77 mph on dash is 70 mph actual on my 1190R
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:53 PM   #30
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picked my 1190R up from its first service today. among a few items I had mentioned to the dealer to check, one item was the speedo for accuracy. I know much has been discussed in this thread about the factory coding wheel size and federal mandates about percentage of accuracy all i can say is my tech stated he dialed in to the speedo with whatever equipment he uses and he said my bike was set at 17" and he changed it to 21". He stated the 1290 SD and 1190 use the same 60314069000 VDO speedo and mine had not been set for the 1190R. I didn't think to have him "show me" how he selected the wheel size, but I will on my next service and will call to ask if not for at least clarification here. I'd hate to think the dealer fed me a mouthful of crap. Dealer wouldn't to that

I never did a GPS test prior to bringing the bike in for service, so i do not have a baseline to start with. On the way home I matched the bike up against my GPS and also my wife's car (car is within 1mph of GPS) on the highway at 50, 60, 70, 80, and 90 mph. At 50 the speedo was off by just under 2 mph (GPS) and at 90 it was off by just under 4 mph. still have the stock Conti's on it with 650 miles. Whats ground truth on these speedos I don't know, but I can live with 4mph high at 90. That's better then any of my other bikes currently in the stable or recently sold.
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