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Old 02-18-2014, 05:55 AM   #31
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11 riding days and about 3,000 kms. It's do-able, but you will be tired.

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Are you factoring in that they are using vintage vespa's?

To me this suggests Vespa's from before the PX, so we're talking 12 bhp and 116km/h for the fastest: the Rally 200 (introduced in the 70's). If they also bring some really vintage smallframes that would be 5,5 bhp and 100km/h for the 125cc version, which is the fastest of the smallframes.

The OP himself talks about 70km/h as a max speed.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:59 AM   #32
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This looks like an amazing trip! I hope you post a ride report of it and I hope you enjoy Europe as much as I enjoyed my two weeks in Hanoi and Northern Vietnam! [IMG]file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5Clam_dn%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmso htmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_image001.gif[/IMG]
Thanks Flei. Hope to have chance to drive and drink together. J

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I think your route might be overly ambitious.

According to this blog your average speed whille driving will be below 35km/h in the Alps.
These guys did a 1200km rally in 6 days and the writer often arrived at the destination when it was dark. That suggests an average speed of around 20km/h.
Thanks GvG. We did contact with Sip-Scooter on the trip. This is a 5 days of riding around 2.500 km but their scooter (, PX200 engine with MALOSSI 210cc, SIP Road exhaust) are much power than ours. J
The detail trip will be flexible. Will try to keep as plan but we can revise depend on the situation.

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11 riding days and about 3,000 kms. It's do-able, but you will be tired.

I would really consider not going to Paris. Paris will cost you 4-5 days of your time.

If you really want to see Paris, I'd do it on another trip and just fly in and out like a "normal" tourist.

Maybe spend one of those days in Pontedera, Italy and visit the Piaggio factory and museum.

Whatever you do, have fun, enjoy the trip, take lots of pictures and you owe us a ride report when you get back home. [IMG]file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5Clam_dn%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmso htmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_image002.gif[/IMG][IMG]file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5Clam_dn%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmso htmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_image003.gif[/IMG]
Dear MichaelJ,

On 2012, we rode of the same distance on the same day in our ASEAN trip (Hanoi – Lao – Thailand – Malaysia - Singapore). Try to ride to Paris but depend on the situation, we may leave our bike at Grenoble or Lyon and take the bus to Paris then back. Pontedera is 1 of the plan point when we stop at Florence on the way back to Rome.

And for sure, will have report on both preparation and during the trip.

The ASEAN trip (in Vietnammese)
http://vespafriends.com/showthread.p...A3-Sing/page74

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Many consecutive +300km days. 8-12 hours in the saddle, stops or sightseeing not included.
And the risk of a hold-up (technical problems, accident, wealth) increaes with the size of the group.

The Paris detour makes the trip arduous.
Perhaps leave your scooters in your hotel near the Alps and visit Paris by train/metro.
Even Marseille-Paris takes only 3 hours (from Lyon 2 hours and Dijon 1.5 hours).

I'd prefer Lucerne (small town in spectacular landscape) to Zurich (capital) and head to Milan/Italy via Grimsel pass. At the nearby Rhone Glacier you can take a short walk to the glacier.
Dear alicethomas,

Thanks for your advice. We will study and revise the plan.



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Are you factoring in that they are using vintage vespa's?

To me this suggests Vespa's from before the PX, so we're talking 12 bhp and 116km/h for the fastest: the Rally 200 (introduced in the 70's). If they also bring some really vintage smallframes that would be 5,5 bhp and 100km/h for the 125cc version, which is the fastest of the smallframes.

The OP himself talks about 70km/h as a max speed.
Our scooter mostly is PX and 2 modern vespa hired from Italia Piaggio but for the long trip, the speed is only at max 70km/h and everage at 50km/h.

We are studying the option of hiring a truck to deliver our scooter from Grenoble -> Paris or from Paris -> Basel to have more day of rest, recover and sightseeing.

Many thanks for your support. Will update our trip and still need your review and comment.

Lam.
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Old 02-22-2014, 03:29 AM   #33
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Our new plan map

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Old 03-05-2014, 11:40 PM   #34
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Just check and found the SNCF service. We may use their train from Lyon -> Paris or Paris -> Strasbourg and it cost around 100€ for 1 single way ticket. Also we are checking if is there any cheaper solution.

https://www.lerepairedesmotards.com/...train-sncf.php

Lyon -> Paris and Paris -> Strasbourg, in case we have to choose, please suggest us on which one for riding and other for train.

Btw, on the we found some clip on Youtube on the Genova - Nice and a lot of tunnel that they must ride through. Could you please have some advice on this one.

Many thanks,
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:16 AM   #35
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I don't know the video, but anyway you have to take the S51 street along the coast through all the towns. Not the highway (at least 150cc required). You will be lucky to average 30km/h on this section.
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Old 03-07-2014, 05:52 PM   #36
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I don't know the video, but anyway you have to take the S51 street along the coast through all the towns. Not the highway (at least 150cc required). You will be lucky to average 30km/h on this section.

Thanks alicethomas, I just saw the google map and SS1 will no longer than the highway A10, both are around 210km from Genova to Nice but take 5 hours for driving. This also mean that will take our vespa at around 8 - 10 hours. Seem that a lot of twist, curve and pass. Fantastic.
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Old 03-28-2014, 03:08 AM   #37
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Dear all,


I just browed to the SNCF site for ticket booking and found that there is only 1 train per week on Saturday. To avoid the impact to our schedule, we have to change the trip by catching SNCF train in Nice (they have on every Tue, Thur, Sat).


Lam,
http://autotrain.voyages-sncf.com/dynam … rol.action

Day 1 Friday 30-May-14 Hanoi CDG
Day 2 Saturday 31-May-14 CDG Genoa
Day 3 Sunday 1-Jun-14 Genoa Custom procedure for bike importing
Day 4 Monday 2-Jun-14 Genoa Nice 200 km SS1 route
Day 5 Tuesday 3-Jun-14 Nice Paris SNCF for train, TGV for group
Day 6 Wednesday 4-Jun-14 Paris Paris tour
Day 7 Thursday 5-Jun-14 Paris Paris tour
Day 8 Friday 6-Jun-14 Paris Nancy 350km
Day 9 Saturday 7-Jun-14 Nancy Zurich 350km Freiburg (Germany)
Day 10 Sunday 8-Jun-14 Zurich Zurich tour
Day 11 Monday 9-Jun-14 Zurich Andermatt 150km Apls mountain
Day 12 Tuesday 10-Jun-14 Andermatt Milan 250km
Day 13 Wednesday 11-Jun-14 Milan Mantova 200km
Day 14 Thursday 12-Jun-14 Mantova Vespa World Day: 12June
Day 15 Friday 13-Jun-14 Mantova Vespa World Day: 13June
Day 16 Saturday 14-Jun-14 Mantova Vespa World Day: 14June
Day 17 Sunday 15-Jun-14 Mantova Vespa World Day: 15June
Day 18 Monday 16-Jun-14 Mantova Florence 200km Vespa museum
Day 19 Tuesday 17-Jun-14 Florence Rome 300km
Day 20 Wednesday 18-Jun-14 Rome Rome tour
Day 21 Thursday 19-Jun-14 Rome Rome tour
Day 22 Friday 20-Jun-14 Rome Genoa
Day 23 Saturday 21-Jun-14 Fly back to Hanoi
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Old 05-10-2014, 07:26 AM   #38
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Bike shipping take long time then we have to start earlier.

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Old 06-05-2014, 05:57 AM   #39
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Hi!
What god do you want to do in Zürich?
Lot of traffic jam, no nice roads.
Better from Nancy go through the Vosges, then two options,
- direction Lucerne, one off the most visited place in Switzerland
- or through Emmental, very nice little roads

Then direction Interlaken and Kandersteg or Grimselpass. Then Simplon pass.
It's the easier and nicer way. If you want more infos, just tell.
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Old 06-09-2014, 11:26 AM   #40
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We are in Zurich already and will ride to Lugano (pass through Andermatt) tomorrow. We did use sygic and try to navigate the route to by pass Autoroute A2 (E35) but could not have any result.

Do you have any suggestion or we have to use and follow the paper map.

Thanks,
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Old 06-10-2014, 03:51 AM   #41
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You may not use the highway with vehicles <80kp/h.
And you shouldn't, as the highway uses the nearly 17 km long San Gottardo street tunnel with full video monitoring.

From Zürich head south to Adliswil - Sihlbrug - Unterägeri - Schwyz - Altdorf and follow the street #2 over Pass Sankt Gotthard.
At the summit you should ride to the Albergo San Gotthardo Hotel and take the old (cobblestone) street down through the Val Tremola.
Down in Airolo you will meet street #2 again and follow it to Lugano.
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You may not use the highway with vehicles <80km/h.
And you shouldn't, as the highway uses the nearly 17 km long San Gottardo street tunnel with full video monitoring.

From Zürich head south to Adliswil - Sihlbrug - Unterägeri - Schwyz - Altdorf and follow the street #2 over Pass Sankt Gotthard.
At the summit you should ride to the Albergo San Gotthardo Hotel and take the old (cobblestone) street down through the Val Tremola.
Down in Airolo you will meet street #2 again and follow it to Lugano.
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You may not use the highway with vehicles <80km/h.
Anyway would need a highway vignette.
And you shouldn't, as the highway uses the nearly 17 km long San Gottardo street tunnel with full video monitoring.

From Zürich head south to Adliswil - Sihlbrug - Unterägeri - Schwyz - Altdorf and follow the street #2 over Pass Sankt Gotthard.
At the summit you should ride to the Albergo San Gotthardo Hotel and take the old (cobblestone) street down through the Val Tremola.
Down in Airolo you will meet street #2 again and follow it to Lugano.
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:15 PM   #44
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I will do Schwytz, Altdorf, Andermatt but then, go to Disentis Müster and Lucomagner Pass. More little roads, less traffic, nice to do.
But it's you're trip. Forgot highways.
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:17 PM   #45
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But you can still go direction Luzern, Brunig Pass, Interlaken, Kandersteg, Simplon Pass, Centovalli, Locarno.
It's very nice too. Passes are less high, but it's very nice.
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