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Old 06-04-2014, 10:47 AM   #31
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the 690 is a bad bike, it just doesn't fill the void that adv riders are looking for that a 790/890 in adv and R models would/will. Remember, it comes down to sales in the big picture.

All the "what KTM should build" is probably a mute point now anyways because what ever this mid level model is, is probably well in the works by now.
^^^^This.

The 690 enduro is an awesome bike. You know what it isn't? A direct competitor to the F800GS / Tiger 800 XC. And the way those 2 models sell, KTM sorely needs a bike in that market range.

The 690 is a niche market bike - very specialized. It falls right between the EXC line and the F800/Tiger800 "80/20" bikes. If KTM builds a baby adventure to compete in that space, I'll be buying one.
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Old 06-04-2014, 01:09 PM   #32
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yep, they have a guaranteed sale for my wife if they build a direct competitor for the Triumph/BMW 800's


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^^^^This.

The 690 enduro is an awesome bike. You know what it isn't? A direct competitor to the F800GS / Tiger 800 XC. And the way those 2 models sell, KTM sorely needs a bike in that market range.

The 690 is a niche market bike - very specialized. It falls right between the EXC line and the F800/Tiger800 "80/20" bikes. If KTM builds a baby adventure to compete in that space, I'll be buying one.
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Old 06-04-2014, 01:17 PM   #33
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Have you seen a 1190 parked next to an 800gs? They have remarkably similar dimensions

I'd also like to see a <400 lb lightweight twin with a fairing and lots of fuel capacity but doubt we'll see it.
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Old 06-04-2014, 10:17 PM   #34
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^^^^This.

The 690 enduro is an awesome bike. You know what it isn't? A direct competitor to the F800GS / Tiger 800 XC. And the way those 2 models sell, KTM sorely needs a bike in that market range.

The 690 is a niche market bike - very specialized. It falls right between the EXC line and the F800/Tiger800 "80/20" bikes. If KTM builds a baby adventure to compete in that space, I'll be buying one.
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no way around it....you need a Driver a 3 wood and a Wedge..
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Old 06-05-2014, 12:32 AM   #35
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Do you guys

Shoot?
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Can't use one hammer for all jobs...

no way around it....you need a Driver a 3 wood and a Wedge..
You know...the more bikes I ride, the more I think you may very well be right.
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Old 06-05-2014, 01:16 AM   #36
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Man I wish KTM would just make a version of Lyndon Poskitt's recent Races to Places build (picture link borrowed from his blog):


I think Lyndon used a 640 motor with vacuum pump and carb to keep the bike simple. This bike would be so easy for KTM to build, but they just don't think the market is there for the bike. I think a consumer version of that bike would sell so well.
They do/did its called a 690 rallye,hes got smaller rear tank on his than the oem.The first version of this bike was 07 till 09/10....nothing new,41mm fcr std,few differences in engine/suspension.....awesome bike

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Old 06-05-2014, 06:24 AM   #37
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I had missed the news release of the 500/800cc parallel twins, but these sound a long way off, and it looks like they are intended at least initially for the Indian market. Similarly the 390 Adventure which promises to be quite a lardy little beast.

If the bike is going to be at EICMA I don't see much alternative to the V-twin 990cc. I suppose (sigh) this would be targeted at the F800GS and Tiger 800 XC, so more of a soft roader than something that interests me.

Yes, the 690 Enduro might be a niche bike but it's the one that interests me most and last year I rode Aberdeen in Scotland to London in one day (550 miles) so it can be used for long distance stuff. This was a standard bike with just KTM's useless 'touring' windscreen and an AirHawk saddle.
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Old 08-21-2014, 04:00 PM   #38
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Hmm. 1050cc v-twin, possibly called 1090, and lighter than previous 990 model. Likely to be at Intermot in Köln in October.
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Old 08-21-2014, 07:16 PM   #39
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Interesting. Any more details?
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Old 08-21-2014, 08:27 PM   #40
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KTM is a public company and as such near term, product road maps are disclosed at the annual General Meeting of which was on April 24th of this year. In years past this road map has shown the new models and the anticipated market time frames. No mention of a "mid sized" adventure bike was disclosed at the last general meeting so most of this discussion, is rumor.

On Aug 29th, the first two Q's of FY2014 will be released and that is the place to look for any new developments.

Having said that, long term product road maps are internal, subject to market developments/changes and rarely discussed outside of senior product management circles. Based on past public disclosures, KTM is focused on key area's of revenue growth (India & other developing markets) and developing the Husky & Husaberg brands.

http://company.ktm.com/gb/investor-r...s/reports.html

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Old 08-22-2014, 02:57 AM   #41
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In years past this road map has shown the new models and the anticipated market time frames.
By its very nature this type of document is backward looking. I've had a quick scan and the only interesting thing I can see regarding future plans is "development of a new 2-cylinder engine platform" which could refer to the parallel twin rumoured to be under development. I've checked out the first 70 pages, can you point me to a roadmap?

And if there is such a section, does it mention the forthcoming 1290 Super Adventure? See http://www.adventurebikerider.com/fo...dv-tourer.html

Rumours are rumours and I can't state with any certainty that the 1090 is coming for sure, but it comes from someone who is well placed. My own thought on this is that it could effectively be an onward development of the 950 Super Enduro in terms of overall weight and intended use. But hey, what do I know?
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Old 08-22-2014, 03:10 AM   #42
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450 rally bike then? what about taking a 500exc and putting the rally get up or making the 500 a rally? seems more capable than a 690 and seems to be preferred from what I hear. I know a couple of guys that ride the 690R and love it. really haven't heard any bad about it but on here.
Honda have the 450 Rally Bike now, KTM have their own Rally bike at a HUGE price...and there are LOADS of Dakar conversions for the 690 out there. This is all a very niche market which means, low sales so KTM is doing what they all doing, following one another...

KTM have the 1290 "Super" Adventure for pure road use and BMW is launching it's Adventure Road bike with the S1000R motor pushing 160hp as mentioned so, if there is a market for the mid class then for sure KTM will be selling it soon enough to compete with the GS800 and 800 Tiger.
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Old 08-22-2014, 09:46 PM   #43
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if there is a market for the mid class then for sure KTM will be selling it soon enough to compete with the GS800 and 800 Tiger.
if so they better bring their A game as the Triumph Tiger 800 is a kick ass bike and GS800 is not a slob either
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the 990.... expensive to build ? it just has a smaller market making it more of a liabilty for KTM i guess thats why they say it's expensive. the 1190 or new ADVENTURE is aimed with a broad arrow, they want a slice of the pie which BMW has had for so long . Bigger market cheaper build cost , niche market bigger build cost. unfortuneatly thats bloody bussiness sense....what happen to irrational thinking ffs.
The 950/990 is the epitome of bigbore rallye bikes it aint comin back , it's spilt milk, unless your still holding a glass. I rekon the 690 is the best bike to build on if your after a mid size, it's been around for 7 years, heaps of great builders are making things for them. they've proved themselves in racing just like the 950. Everyone should have one.
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Hmm. 1050cc v-twin, possibly called 1090, and lighter than previous 990 model. Likely to be at Intermot in Köln in October.
One of the biggest surprises of the season is the possibility that KTM, in addition to the previously announced Super Adventure 1290, will also unveil a 1050 Adventure. This announcement was confirmed by Stefan Pierer, Chairman and CEO of KTM, at the Indian launch of the RC 200 and RC 390. It is also shown as an owners manual download on the KTM Europe website.

https://rideapart.com/articles/surpr...-intermot-2014
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