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Old 07-02-2014, 08:07 PM   #16
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1190 Adventure + Colorado Rockies =
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Old 07-03-2014, 05:47 AM   #17
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My location is gonna change from oh-so-boring NW IL, to just N of Denver...

I live South of Denver myself. Drop me a line after you have made the move :)
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Old 07-03-2014, 05:55 AM   #18
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Old 07-03-2014, 06:43 AM   #19
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85 to 95 on the slabs? Pardon me, but do you carry a special get out of jail free card?

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pretty common in SD, WY , MT. just don't do it on the interstate
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Old 07-03-2014, 07:29 AM   #20
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And now I gotta ask, having just read the Wiki entry for this bike.

We all know Wiki entries can be wrong, but it says that the bike was introduced in late 2012 for the 2014 model year.

So here is the question, as it relates to this bike the dealer is calling a 2013. Is there really any such thing? Or is any bike obtained by a dealer from KTM any time since the initial introduction of the 1190 Adventure the exact same thing as what is shipping by KTM right now?

If this "intro" bike has design or build flaws that were corrected as running design changes incorporated into bikes shipping right now, who has a list of those changes and corrections?
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Old 07-03-2014, 07:38 AM   #21
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And now I gotta ask, having just read the Wiki entry for this bike.

We all know Wiki entries can be wrong, but it says that the bike was introduced in late 2012 for the 2014 model year.

So here is the question, as it relates to this bike the dealer is calling a 2013. Is there really any such thing? Or is any bike obtained by a dealer from KTM any time since the initial introduction of the 1190 Adventure the exact same thing as what is shipping by KTM right now?

If this "intro" bike has design or build flaws that were corrected as running design changes incorporated into bikes shipping right now, who has a list of those changes and corrections?

Yes, the 2013 models are officially different from the 2014s. The rest of the world got them first, and the USA only took delivery in 2014.

As far as I know the only 2013s that made it in the USA were dealer demos.

For a list of updates, Inmate Rob Zorba can help you, he is very knowledgeable on the model differences.

It doesn't sound like they are giving you much of a deal on that demo... Without question I'd get the 2014, or even wait for a 2015 if they don't have any left.
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Old 07-03-2014, 07:42 AM   #22
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It doesn't sound like they are giving you much of a deal on that demo... Without question I'd get the 2014, or even wait for a 2015 if they don't have any left.
Or shop a couple different dealers, I'm not one to shop for lowest price only, other things are important to me, but you do need to see what's out there. Good luck!
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Old 07-03-2014, 10:10 AM   #23
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2013s did not have MSC(Motorcycle Stability Control) which provides lean angle sensing for traction control and ABS. 2013s can be upgraded to have MSC, but as others have said, buy a 2014.
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Old 07-03-2014, 01:31 PM   #24
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So I am asking my local dealer that has the '13 demo, to look into what it takes to add whatever necessary to get the MSC.

Some web searches have turned up info that the '13s have the hardware, but need a software update to have the MSC operational.

This, because no one else has a '14, and I am being told there are none available. One dealer out in Colorado Springs has one, but he ain't dealing, either on price, or my trade-in. I am a two-day ride from there via US20-I39-I88-I80-I76-I70-I25. A lot of pounding.

But then there is this. The ST is a better way to do all that, and if I buy the '14 in CO, my new home (just made a deal on a property today, closing early Aug), I will have the newer bike, 1200 fewer miles on it, and not have to slab-way it out.

Or maybe this. Keep the ST for iron-butt interstate work, get the new ADV for the twisties and back roads of the central and northern Rockies.
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Old 07-03-2014, 02:04 PM   #25
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There are lots of 2014 models available, S model. Probably no R models around, or few and far between. I wouldn't be surprised if you could swing the deal you are looking at for a new 2014. As others have said, better off with a 2014.
See Traderonline for an example of what is available.
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Old 07-03-2014, 02:05 PM   #26
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i have a 2013 1190R

and i got the update MCN (Motorcycle Stability Control, its just a program, all the hardware is on the bika already ) for free and i got the 2014 airbox , i have been driving 600 km on a day ( 375 miles) its 150 HP but have 4 different way of dillivery , i am happy with it, the side stand is smaler on the 2013 model , but i welded on a bigger foot ,
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Old 07-03-2014, 03:14 PM   #27
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Well, it is down to this.

I am in Chicagoland, home of the most boring terrain on earth, for many many miles in all directions. ADV bikes are sold, but most bikers prefer Harley Davidsons here. For any ten bikes seen on the road, 8 or 9 will be H-Ds.

So, I am finding quite a bit of availability of brand new 2014 KTM 1190 Adventure machines, in both colors.

And the dealers discount by first knocking the delivery fee to zero, and then knocking down from the list of $16,499.

So, I'll take the ST around next week and shop for the best deal on price and trade.

But here is the rub. No one has panniers in stock, some are mumbling about availability, and I am in a rush.
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Old 07-03-2014, 03:27 PM   #28
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Try Bumot panniers or Jessee bags. I wouldn't get the KTM bags. I bought the Bumot.
There is a thread on here for various hard bag options for the bike.
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Old 07-04-2014, 03:07 AM   #29
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... But here is the rub. No one has panniers in stock, some are mumbling about availability, and I am in a rush.
Take your time to choose the best luggage - and like @mlyamkaw@ said, there are many options much better than KTM offerings, so read the 1190 luggage thread. In the meantime, perhaps get a waterproof luggage roll? - the KTM PowerParts one is really good - and strap it to your passenger seat. This is a much safer way to carry heavy items than using top or side cases.
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Old 07-04-2014, 04:53 AM   #30
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Have you considered the XT1200ZE?

You could sell the ST and you get comfort + dead reliability...
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