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Old 07-13-2014, 02:20 PM   #61
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Todd and Dylan - don't despair about the weather. It's Labrador: you didn't come here to go sunbathing.

I'm enjoying your pictures and observations. Ride safely.

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Old 07-13-2014, 02:59 PM   #62
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Great so far.....enjoying the trip with you.
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Old 07-13-2014, 06:16 PM   #63
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I'm enjoying the ride!

Actually the bank is protecting their interest not yours since you are only on the hook for $50. I've used my card all over the world week after week without a problem. But when I start buying 4 gallons of gas every 2-3 hours it rings alarms at Chase Bank.
That was the problem. It's the "little" purchases that were getting their undies in a wad.

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Todd and Dylan - don't despair about the weather. It's Labrador: you didn't come here to go sunbathing.

I'm enjoying your pictures and observations. Ride safely.

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That's VERY true! Didn't get much sun the whole trip but for a patch around my face through the shield!

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Old 07-14-2014, 12:12 PM   #65
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I have been using Heidenau K60's or TKC 80's on my bike. I couldn't get the K60's and I thought we would be doing a whole lot more paved than gravel so I opted for Metzler Tourances.

The Tourances laying in the sun to help "ease the pain":



My K60's still had some life but I was bitten by needing new tires before I was ready on our previous trip. I would have gladly put on another but these are so popular this time of year I couldn't get one (in time):



Shoeless in the rear:



New shoe mounted on the back. What a pain in my behind. I hate paying someone to do it yet I REALLY hate to do it myself. I don't do it enough to be very good at it. My enlarged belly from being lazy this winter didn't help either!!! :loll




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Old 07-14-2014, 04:53 PM   #66
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Day 6 continued

Yup, we're on route 389. As you can see...in the rain, on the gravel. Oh, well. What's a little adventure, right?



We were glad our suits kept the rain out and that we were dressed pretty warm. We learned our lesson in British Columbia that taking layers off to cool off is a LOT easier than trying to dig them out and warm up once chilled. You can see Dylan getting prepped to get back on the bike. Even pulling his buff up high on his face.



Damn choice of tires is really starting to haunt me. You can see that there is quite a bit of sand on the road, too. Pay attention to that detail. Not the sand. The choice of tires. It will reappear and you WILL be tested!



Heading almost due north. Making good time. We don't race. We're heavy and I'm old. Don't want to have to have Dylan put into practice all the things we've talked about. Dad's epi-pen is where? What button do you push on the SPOT if we have a problem? Where's the key to the satellite phone? We had gone over all those things before we left. He's prepped and a smart young man. He can manage in a crisis if we (I) need it.

We cross the 51st Parallel. These little signs creep up on you!



Dust? You are kidding me! The sandy areas dry quick. Gotta ask yourself what's better; A little bit of rain to moisten the road or dry road and dust. I'm going to go with dry.



Trees are getting shorter again. Not like the tundra we experienced on the Dalton but noticeably shorter vegetation. You can see for a long way on these straight areas.



Why you ask would you take a picture of a gravel road? Well, that's to show people, because you can't "feel" it, so you have to "see" it. Imagine what it would be like walking on a counter top covered with marbles. That's what some portions of 389 were like. Hard pack with fresh gravel kind of floating on top.



At one point the back of the bike took a little, ok, big whoopty do, that's one of those technical terms, and Dylan tapped me on the shoulder and said "I almost wet myself".

We had many close calls like that and it helped me keep things in check and slowed me down. If you are riding the TLH or 389 this year...be careful.

Sometimes you felt kind of silly sitting at a stop light and you can plainly see there is nobody coming. In this one there is a vehicle coming through.



We needed to get off and rest a bit so we stopped at a "Rest Area" in Relais Gabriel. It had a little pavilion and picnic table. We snacked and drank some water. A gentleman drove up to the bike as we were leaving and was interested in our trip. He said he came up here fishing 20 years ago and never left. He and his wife have a place just a bit south. Told us some history and points to try and look for on our trip. He said he likes talking to the bike riders cause they are so nice and friendly. Very nice guy.

That's a long straight stretch of road.



I couldn't help myself here. I know it's graffiti but it made me chuckle.



I know this isn't the "Top of the World" highway. I've been on that! It's close though!!!!



OMG, I know some may not agree but I was REALLY glad to hit pavement again. I was tired. This gave both of us a bit of a second wind from having to constantly be on edge. Also gave my "pucker string" a rest....



Still a whole lotta road out there in front of us!



The terrain was again changing. This is so cool to be able to, up close, witness the environmental changes that were taking place. I have a a great appreciation of our environment and revel in taking it all in.



Several areas like this can be found along 389 (and the TLH). I kept being told to "just pull off and camp" but didn't feel comfortable doing that. Had I been alone or didn't have a youth with me I may have.



A distant view of Lake Manicouagan. What a spectacular natural resource.



The obvious scars of a forest fire. I read a ride report while researching our trip that must have happened during the authors trip. Route 389 had been closed because of smoke, fire, safety, etc.







I've never been labeled as being "very smart" and here is proof in this series of photos.

As we approached the bridge over Rivière Hart Jaune, I started the Contour helmet cam. I then proceeded to begin taking photos while the camera was "rolling". Dylan was not happy.

The video first:



Then the photos I took:







Yes, it's a wooden bridge. Don't see many of those where I'm from.



Taking a digger here would not be cool.

The amount of water going by was a bit unsettling.





Dyaln was not a happy camper. Too many gotcha moments lately! You've got to give him a lot of credit for hanging in there and being a great passenger!

We still have a long way to go yet today. We've tried to stop and rest more often so that we can, hopefully, make it to Labrador City.

Another selfie. I'm getting better, right?



More day 6 coming...
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Old 07-14-2014, 05:02 PM   #67
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On these gravel roads, some TKC80 would be the minimum knobbie tire you'd want. Tourance are indeed too slick for that. The front wheel must have been floating all around. You are brave my friend ;-)
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Old 07-14-2014, 05:15 PM   #68
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Day 6 continued

Village of Gagnon

I'm unsure why but I was fascinated by the story of Gagnon. I wanted to camp here but I was so tired and we needed to push on to Lab City. After we went through Dylan said it was kind of "spooky" seeing all the remnants of a city but no buildings or even people.

The is a video of the ride through Gagnon. You can see the sewers, the boulevard in the middle of the highway, the curbs. Imagine people living here, shopping, growing up, growing old. Where were you born? Where did you go to school? Oh, well, the town is no longer there....



I wanted to spend some time in Gagnon but we really needed to push on. I want to keep this section of day 6 separate from the next part so I'll end it here for now.

More coming...
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Old 07-14-2014, 05:40 PM   #69
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On these gravel roads, some TKC80 would be the minimum knobbie tire you'd want. Tourance are indeed too slick for that. The front wheel must have been floating all around. You are brave my friend ;-)
People spend far too much time agonizing over the tyres they think they need for the TLH, as if the tyres alone are going to be the panacea for all their real or imagined troubles. The key is matching road speed to the rider's ability, regardless of the bike or tyres. The K70's on my Eldo were more than adequate. Knobblies are no special help on the kind of surface which one finds on the TLH and 389.

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Old 07-14-2014, 05:55 PM   #70
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People spend far too much time agonizing over the tyres they think they need for the TLH, as if the tyres alone are going to be the panacea for all their real or imagined troubles. The key is matching road speed to the rider's ability, regardless of the bike or tyres. The K70's on my Eldo were more than adequate. Knobblies are no special help on the kind of surface which one finds on the TLH and 389.

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Well. You have a point. Never ride faster than your guardian angel. Nonetheless, if instead of riding 30km/h on Tourance rubber, you can ride 70km/h with the same confidence on a better tire, then it's a win win. I've done 4 hours of dirt this Saturday with some okay Tourance. Honestly, they were not confidence-inspiring and had no grip at all. One can use any tire on thin gravel with hard pack base. Add soft sand or a freshly graded surface, and you need to rethink your tire choice.



What I should have had for more grip and stability.

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People spend far too much time agonizing over the tyres they think they need for the TLH, as if the tyres alone are going to be the panacea for all their real or imagined troubles. The key is matching road speed to the rider's ability, regardless of the bike or tyres. The K70's on my Eldo were more than adequate. Knobblies are no special help on the kind of surface which one finds on the TLH and 389.

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On these gravel roads, some TKC80 would be the minimum knobbie tire you'd want. Tourance are indeed too slick for that. The front wheel must have been floating all around. You are brave my friend ;-)

I think you are both correct. From my perspective; I was comfortable with the K60's but could not get them in time. I agonized over what would be an option. TKC80's won't last the entire trip and I can't carry another tire. Did not want to ship or buy another tire on the road. Tourances were my best option. In MY opinion. A lot more pavement was going to be ridden on than gravel.

Next up? What oil did I chose?

Just kidding!!!!

The tire did "ok" on the gravel parts. I slowed waaaayyyy down. This is a BIG bike with LOTS of fuel sitting up high. It's got heavy bags packed for up to 4 weeks with two, not so slim, riders. I did NOT want to pick this beast up. I had not dropped it, yet. On our Alaska trip I dropped the damned thing before we left!!!

Stay tuned for WHY the tire choice was not great....lots of hindsight going to take place.

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Old 07-14-2014, 06:41 PM   #72
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Well. You have a point. Never ride faster than your guardian angel. Nonetheless, if instead of riding 30km/h on Tourance rubber, you can ride 70km/h with the same confidence on a better tire, then it's a win win. I've done 4 hours of dirt this Saturday with some okay Tourance. Honestly, they were not confidence-inspiring and had no grip at all. One can use any tire on thin gravel with hard pack base. Add soft sand or a freshly graded surface, and you need to rethink your tire choice.
I don't doubt you're right - for some conditions - but unnecessary for the TLH. The knobblies on my Nuovo Falcone don't make much difference regardless of the road. But................sorry Todd and Dylan, that's enough thread drift from me so I'll shut up.

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Day 6 continued

Alas, the asphalt didn't last...

I have taken my marine biologist hat off and I'm going to put on my geologist hat. Of course I don't have the knowledge to do either. I'm a geek...

However, I was speculating inside my helmet. Does anyone else do that? Hmmm, I wonder if that's really....?

Anyway, I was taking a few photos of what I thought "could be" the debris field from the impact crater. You see all of these LARGE boulders around the edges of the crater.



I know it's not a great photo but there are lots of big rocks strewn about over a very large area.

A video of this area:



We then began seeing large sections of hills/mountains having strange "blemishes".



The further we drove the more the road deteriorated. This was by far the worst section we had seen in quite awhile. I would hate to drive this when wet. Then we began seeing more railroad track and bundles of brand new ties about to be replaced.





Still more "blemishes".



I don't care what your beliefs or feelings are about mining. Or better yet, open pit mining. If you are an adventure rider you are probably riding to see the beauty of the environment. Well, open pit mining takes that away. I know we need to obtain the resources but we really need to find a better way.

The next few photos are of the Mont Wright mining operation. They are "moving" the mountain. You approach from one angle and can't see anything then BOOM you round a corner and see this:



An almost pure red lake. That's not normal....





I was saddened by what I was seeing. The orange flags I had been seeing on pick-up trucks was beginning to make sense.



Mont Wright was being mined. Destroyed. Nothing but a hole in the ground now.

The mining company responsible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Québec_...Mining_Company

A few more photos:



The tailings of the previous Mont Wright.





Notice the tires? Imagine those on a LARGE truck trying to run a motorcycle over.





A few other videos after Gagnon but before the mining operations:





Enough of the mining and downer type photos.

Next up? Success!!!! We did it!
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Day 6 Continued

The Big Land. What an appropriate name. It's big, it's desolate, it's harsh, it's beautiful, it's unforgiving.

We made it here



Our faithful ride, posing at the border of the Big Land.



Since we didn't get a good photo of our entrance into Quebec, we turned around and got one from the Labrador side!

OMG! I lost all my hair on this trip!



Can you believe the grin on that boys face? Makes a dad proud.



A few photos as we come into Labrador City



I work for a hospital so I take photos of healthcare related sites. This is a brand new facility not open yet. The sign says "Not open to the public"



We went to the McDonalds to eat and use the Wi-Fi to find a place to camp. That's when we find out that we just went over a time zone and are later than we think. Great. It's now 9pm and we do not have a place to stay. Dylan and I talk about it and also a young girl cleaning up. She says the minimum for a hotel in Lab City is $150. Damn! I don't want to pay that. A trucker who was watching a video on his laptop becomes concerned for us. He offers us some cash to eat or get a place to stay. I told him we were fine and have been camping for a week and will be ok. He offered to put the bike on his truck to get us "out of the mess we were in". We chuckled and assured him we were fine and enjoying the "dilemma" we were win.

We had seen a campground outside of town and headed back there. We entered the Duley Lake Family Park and thought we had entered anther world.

I did not take any photos as we entered the campground. We met Paul and he was rough around the edges. He was an owner and liked to drop F bombs. A lot. OMG those F'in lights (my LED lights) are F'in bright.

He said I have no F'in water, no F'in outhouses but I can put you up for the night for $10. Sold. He put us on a site that didn't have a camper and had called the guy to make sure he wasn't coming. Dylan get in my F'in truck and ride with me and give your F'in dad a break. I followed him to a site that was empty but lots of other RVs around.

It was dark as we set our tent up. Dylan wanted some earplugs. Smart move. I put mine in around midnight....gonna be a long "F'in" night.
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