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Old 07-18-2014, 10:44 AM   #91
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True but I did live in London.
The only interaction with law enforcement I had when I lived in London was with photo-radar.
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Old 07-18-2014, 10:55 AM   #92
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True but I did live in London.
Then kindly butt out, you aren't subject to the powertripping abuse of authority here in the states.

That cops 'community activist' comment, while a swipe at obama, was also a swipe at me or my friends and comrades.

Reminds me of the time I was on a radio call-in with the SF police chief and I challenged some things he had said about the use of public space during the occupy heyday, his response, quote 'just the homeless' demonstrates how insidious and systemic the problem is.

A few of them may be drawn by the idea of serving the public good, but the evidence is mounting that far too many to be ignored are serving other, competing interests.
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Old 07-18-2014, 10:57 AM   #93
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Then kindly butt out, you aren't subject to the powertripping abuse of authority here in the states.

That cops 'community activist' comment, while a swipe at obama, was also a swipe at me or my friends and comrades.

Reminds me of the time I was on a radio call-in with the SF police chief and I challenged some things he had said about the use of public space during the occupy heyday, his response, quote 'just the homeless' demonstrates how insidious and systemic the problem is.

A few of them may be drawn by the idea of serving the public good, but the evidence is mounting that far too many to be ignored are serving other, competing interests.
I'll butt out when you take your shit to CSM where it belongs.

Otherwise this remains a general conversation about cops interacting with bikers.
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:00 AM   #94
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How refreshing, a pig who shows disdain for activism
Annnnnddddd here is where the tread turns to shit.
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:31 AM   #95
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I very rarely get ticketed when pulled and when I am ticketed it normally is writes up for less than it was.
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Have your stuff ready for them
Be respectful
Don't be an ass
Don't lie
And don't be an ass .... yes I said it twice.


Remember they are doing a job and chance are they don't want to be on the side of the road writing a ticket especially if you they are not a traffic/highway cop. One of my deputy friends has wrote only 2 speeding tickets in 5 years and he said he only wrote those 2 because they got shitty with him before he even spoke. On the other side a town cop friend of mine gas wrote 2700 tickets in a year yes almost three thousand speeding tickets .
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:34 AM   #96
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Annnnnddddd here is where the tread turns to shit.
He's doing a pretty good job of shitting in multiple threads.
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:49 AM   #97
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On the other side a town cop friend of mine gas wrote 2700 tickets in a year yes almost three thousand speeding tickets .
Perhaps they'd like to play Q&A? Or maybe you could let them know the internet would like to hear their input on what results in a ticket?
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:09 PM   #98
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Annnnnddddd here is where the tread turns to shit.
Nope, went to shit with the csm-worthy post I quoted
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:12 PM   #99
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I got a speeding ticket in the cage a couple weeks ago- a fast downhill run over a ridge- a highway absurdly set with a 55 limit- its SO easy to get sucked into the downhill. Halfway down theres a rest area providing convenient view of the highway- the state highway patrol sets their radar there so they zap everybody at their max speed going down the hill ( no exits/entraces for a couple miles well after the road levels out- pretty much a full on highway w/ 55mph limit).

He clocked me at 73-ish, I did not play the jerk apologized for the hill sucking me in and he reduced my fine to the minimum his system would accept ($35 or so)- presumably by pulling me over he was committed to a ticket. On the fine there were 2 other charges totalling $85 or so of administrative fees, and a very short duration to pay before the court date was set pretty much forcing an online payment which incurred another $3 "convenience fee".

So maybe the speed trap is not a revenue-making enterprise but the local PA gov't sure got their pound of flesh. The magnitude of the "administrative fees" was illustrative... I'm sure no schools got anything but I sure did my share to help pay for office furniture upgrades etc..
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:13 PM   #100
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Here's my story:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=876754
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Old 07-18-2014, 01:43 PM   #101
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If you get puled over around here and its under $250.00 you are a PBA member or some big shot.

Just one example, out riding my 1969 Triumph I just got back together after a total restore, and a woman in an suv pulls out right in front of me.
I go over the double yellow and pass so the dimwit knows she just pulled out in front of me.
The unmarked suv that was behind me pulls me over and tells me, yes, they pulled out in front of you but you could have TRIED to stop.
And with drum brakes, if i could not and hit the suv I would be charged with that and littering bike parts on the road?

In court, I taked to the people running the show and got it down to a $300.00 no seat belt ticket (no points), no points means they get to keep all the money.
Evesham NJ, small town, like most they have about 75 police.

I am a nice guy, always help everyone, I am not a biker type, never have an attitude, and never got a break from the police since I was 14 and started riding bikes in the dirt.

I have never had an accident, never hurt anyone, even myself, and they have made a LOT of money off me over the years.
Fun tax, and I feel sorry for them, how would you like a job where you had to be a jerk all day long for money?
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Old 07-18-2014, 02:35 PM   #102
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Question to the LEOs..

Did you ever think, or do you, that your inconsistent approach to ticketing contributes to the negative impressions that a lot of folks have about your vocation?



As for me, I've been stopped a few times in the UK and a few times in Europe but the last ticket I got was when I was following two South Dakota plated cars, in SD - matching their speed. I was aware that I was over the speed limit but it wasn't, imo, dangerously excessive - I was doing 78 in a 65.

The copper showed me an LED speed readout and said that it represented my speed. There was no photo or proof of any sort that it was my vehicle. He then explained that I could return in about 3 weeks to appeal or pay cash on the spot. I chose cash - at which point he escorted me to a local ATM so I could get $125. TBH it felt a bit like I was being taken hostage - pay the ransom or ruin my vacation.

This was back in 2010.

One thing the LEOs here have not mentioned is the short leash they are kept on. "Officer discretion" and "officer safety" are double edged swords. They have to justify everything they do, why they did it the way they did it, especially decisions made under stress and questioned by the Monday morning / arm chair crowd. They are subject to administrative action, criminal penalty, and civil lawsuits for pretty much everything they say or do, to a much greater extent than other professions. It's a difficult job and some officers have the maturity and interpersonal skills to do it better than others. Safety and liability factor in to the choices they make.

There's my ramble. I'm a military police guy so some of my job is the same as civilian Leo, some different. We can't get sued, but we have much less protection against administrative action. As in, if you call in a complaint on an MP, the soldier and his next 3 or 4 supervisors go stand on the carpet for it. As you can imagine, that kind of thing rolls down hill.

I think that the truly inconsistent thing is interpersonal communication skills. Some of the lesser appreciated LEO jobs like game warden (out gunned) or prison guard (out numbered) are pretty much sink or swim with IPC skills. If you don't have them, you won't last long. Traffic and patrol is a mixed bag. Some officers expect respect but don't give it in return.
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Old 07-18-2014, 02:40 PM   #103
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I would like to know how he does not get tickets either. The last one I got (only one in 10 years) I was doing 42 in a 40. Yes I was speeding, but he wrote me up for 57 in a 40 and flat out said, take it to court, it is your word against mine and I will win.

An this was a motorcycle officer.

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Old 07-18-2014, 07:56 PM   #104
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I've been pulled over about 4 times over many years. I'm always respectful and don't argue (I got pulled over for a reason, duh), but I've only "gotten out of" a ticket once. Except for one, the officers have always been very nice and usually apologize for the ticket. The only time things got strange was my mom's fault, she started arguing with the officer! (I just sat there and hoped my car seat would sink through the floor or something). He told her he could justify changing the ticket from a parking violation to a moving violation. Wait a minute! Mom, stop! Besides, you're the one who said "just pull over quick in front of the building and I'll hop out....."

My grandfather was a California highway patrolman. Most gentle man I've ever known. We were in downtown San Diego, got lost, wasn't watching carefully and I went across an intersection from a dedicated right hand turn lane. We were pulled over. Rats. I told him what happened, pled stupidity. Then my grandma piped up "I'm the widow of an ex highway patrolman!" What do you do when you have an admitted dumb tourist driving with her grandma pulling the "widow of an ex highway patrolman" card? Warning.
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Old 07-20-2014, 10:47 AM   #105
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