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Old 07-24-2014, 08:13 PM   #4861
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I stand corrected: Idaho doesn't distinguish between bicycles and pedestrians on the road who're holding up traffic. Bout the only state who's laws I've read (and I've gone thru a few now) that specifies a bicycle, pedestrian, or human-powered vehicle must pull over 'wherever a sufficient area for a safe turnout exists.'

Now, along with the requirement to pull over if there's more than 3 cars behind the cyclist, there's the other side that says bicycles are allowed the whole lane if it isn't safe. Then there's the specifics of passing and leaving 3'. etc

Remember: as far right as practicable is NOT the same as 'as far right as possible.

So, do you really want to play 'obey the letter of the law?' ...or would you rather 'obey the spirit of the law?'

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Old 07-24-2014, 08:23 PM   #4862
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So, do you really want to play 'obey the letter of the law?' ...or would you rather 'obey the spirit of the law?'
spirit of the law sounds good to me. though, in this case, the spirit and letter of the law are the same...which is "if you are holding everyone else up, be considerate and GTFO of the way as soon as you safely can and let them by instead of being a selfish asshole."
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:24 PM   #4863
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Good cop.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:43 PM   #4864
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spirit of the law sounds good to me. though, in this case, the spirit and letter of the law are the same...which is "if you are holding everyone else up, be considerate and GTFO of the way as soon as you safely can and let them by instead of being a selfish asshole."
If you actually read the law, it says to pull off where there sufficient space for a safe turnout. It doesn't say anything about pulling off anywhere.

If there's not sufficient space for a safe turnout, there's no requirement to pull over.

Funny enough, not too many of us in this thread live in Idaho. I've been thru on a moto. There's not really a lot of people out there... Its gonna take some doing to get 3 people stacked up behind you.

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Old 07-24-2014, 08:54 PM   #4865
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If you actually read the law, it says to pull off where there sufficient space for a safe turnout. It doesn't say anything about pulling off anywhere.

If there's not sufficient space for a safe turnout, there's no requirement to pull over.
guess you missed the part where i said "safely"?
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Old 07-24-2014, 09:02 PM   #4866
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guess you missed the part where i said "safely"?
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Old 07-25-2014, 04:46 AM   #4867
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Two interactions with people on bicycles in the last two days. The second one, today went exactly how it should. Three cyclists heading up a short hill with no line of sight - blind right over crest. They rode up the hill claiming the entire lane and I paced them a safe distance back. As soon as they cleared the crest, they fell in single file and I passed in the opposite lane as soon as I could see there was no oncoming traffic. Yesterday was the polar opposite. On a little used two lane road, I came up behind two people on bicycles ( not cyclists ). They had reflective everything on to make themselves safe. One was riding in the center of my lane and the other was riding in the middle of the opposite lane. I paced behind them for half a minute before they noticed me and decided to move into one lane together. Just before they decided to move together, I was contemplating using the horn to wake them up.
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Old 07-25-2014, 08:05 AM   #4868
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Two interactions with people on bicycles in the last two days. The second one, today went exactly how it should. Three cyclists heading up a short hill with no line of sight - blind right over crest. They rode up the hill claiming the entire lane and I paced them a safe distance back. As soon as they cleared the crest, they fell in single file and I passed in the opposite lane as soon as I could see there was no oncoming traffic. Yesterday was the polar opposite. On a little used two lane road, I came up behind two people on bicycles ( not cyclists ). They had reflective everything on to make themselves safe. One was riding in the center of my lane and the other was riding in the middle of the opposite lane. I paced behind them for half a minute before they noticed me and decided to move into one lane together. Just before they decided to move together, I was contemplating using the horn to wake them up.
I wave the car around (or not, if there is something approaching) as soon as I have a reliable site-line in situations like that. Gives them a little bit of a head start in getting by me.

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Old 07-27-2014, 12:04 PM   #4869
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I really just don't get it.

Would you do to a family member what you're doing to me? If the answer's no, then why do it?!

Why are you passing too closely? If you had to get around your kid, would you buzz his elbow or give him room?

Why are you passing at the crests of hills? Would you pass anyway or wait to see what's coming?

Horse people... Had one pass me towing the spawn of Satan in its trailer pass me closely today. So if I did that to you on your horse, it'd be OK?!

It boggles my mind. ...but after 20 years of doing this, it shouldn't.

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Old 07-27-2014, 12:22 PM   #4870
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A couple of years ago, we got buzzed by a pickup pulling a landscape trailer. It was so close, I could have bunny hopped onto it. Instead we gave synchronized middle finger salutes! Why people, Why???
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Old 07-27-2014, 02:27 PM   #4871
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Was behind a cyclist near the top of a hill yesterday. Couldn't see enough for a safe pass so I slowed behind the cyclist and took the time to explain to my 8yo daughter why I was slowing, giving the guy space and waiting to make my pass when it was safe to do so.

Lead by example.

I am teaching her the correct way to do things now, while she still listens to me instead of at 15, when she knows it all and parents are stupid.

It took an extra minute but it was well spent IMO.
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Old 07-27-2014, 02:48 PM   #4872
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Was behind a cyclist near the top of a hill yesterday. Couldn't see enough for a safe pass so I slowed behind the cyclist and took the time to explain to my 8yo daughter why I was slowing, giving the guy space and waiting to make my pass when it was safe to do so.

Lead by example.

I am teaching her the correct way to do things now, while she still listens to me instead of at 15, when she knows it all and parents are stupid.

It took an extra minute but it was well spent IMO.
Good job. Too bad this has to sound like the exception rather than the rule. Oh sure...many will slow down and not put themselves or anyone else in danger but then, they'll bitch about it afterwards..
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Old 07-27-2014, 03:05 PM   #4873
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Was behind a cyclist near the top of a hill yesterday. Couldn't see enough for a safe pass so I slowed behind the cyclist and took the time to explain to my 8yo daughter why I was slowing, giving the guy space and waiting to make my pass when it was safe to do so.

Lead by example.

I am teaching her the correct way to do things now, while she still listens to me instead of at 15, when she knows it all and parents are stupid.

It took an extra minute but it was well spent IMO.
From those of us on the receiving end: thank you



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Old 07-27-2014, 04:46 PM   #4874
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I really just don't get it.

Would you do to a family member what you're doing to me? If the answer's no, then why do it?!

Why are you passing too closely? If you had to get around your kid, would you buzz his elbow or give him room?

Why are you passing at the crests of hills? Would you pass anyway or wait to see what's coming?

Horse people... Had one pass me towing the spawn of Satan in its trailer pass me closely today. So if I did that to you on your horse, it'd be OK?!

It boggles my mind. ...but after 20 years of doing this, it shouldn't.

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Was that directed at one of us or a rant toward drivers you dealt with recently?
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Old 07-27-2014, 05:56 PM   #4875
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Just got buzzed this morning by an adver on my bicycle. 12' lane and he was so close I could smell his aftershave. Thing that pissed me off is if I had been on my MC he probably would have waved.

So if your the guy driving by the Coos Bay casino around 9 am, how about you share the lane a little bette next time? We don't both need to be in the right 1/3 of the lane.
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