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Old 07-28-2014, 08:16 AM   #16
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The CHP will not let it be made illegal. If it is illegal, than they can't do it.
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:20 AM   #17
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Other states don't have LA traffic.

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LEO/1st responders can't do that in other states?
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:28 AM   #18
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:48 AM   #19
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The CHP will not let it be made illegal. If it is illegal, than they can't do it. And in the LA basin, they need to be able to split lanes to respond to accidents and other emergency calls where a car cannot make it.
Not going to help. THe anti filering/lane splitting laws in my state as well as the Uniform Vehicle Code from which they are drawn are not applicable to police performing their duties, by explicit statement. It's really not hard to make police responding to an emergency exempt from a law. I would guess that you could find examples of the in the California Vehicle Code.

Not that I'm advocating outlawing lane splitting in CA, I'm not, I'm just saying the police thing isn't going to stop it, or even make a speedbump.
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:33 AM   #20
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The way I understand it lane splitting became legal in California because of the Olympics in 1984. It was nearly impossible to make it around the city with the increased traffic, couriers rode bikes and were able to split lanes to keep the commerce rolling... may not be true. Something I was told.
Since it has never been outlawed, it's always been legal.
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Old 07-28-2014, 10:14 AM   #21
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Not going to help. THe anti filering/lane splitting laws in my state as well as the Uniform Vehicle Code from which they are drawn are not applicable to police performing their duties, by explicit statement. It's really not hard to make police responding to an emergency exempt from a law. I would guess that you could find examples of the in the California Vehicle Code.

Not that I'm advocating outlawing lane splitting in CA, I'm not, I'm just saying the police thing isn't going to stop it, or even make a speedbump.
Except that the vehicle code here explicitly applies to LEO. If a LEO gets in an accident and has violated the vehicle code he will be found at fault. Doesn't matter if they are responding to a call or not.
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Old 07-28-2014, 10:25 AM   #22
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Except that the vehicle code here explicitly applies to LEO. If a LEO gets in an accident and has violated the vehicle code he will be found at fault. Doesn't matter if they are responding to a call or not.
Seriously? You really think that under California law an exception to the traffic law cannot be made for a police officer responding to an emergency?

Tell you what, why don't you read this and get back to me. It's from the California Vehicle Code.

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Exemption of Authorized Emergency Vehicles
21055. The driver of an authorized emergency vehicle
is exempt from Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 21350),
Chapter 3 (commencing with Section 21650), Chapter 4
(commencing with Section 21800), Chapter 5 (commencing
with Section 21950), Chapter 6 (commencing with 22100),
Chapter 7 (commencing with Section 22348), Chapter 8
(commencing with Section 22450), Chapter 9 (commencing
with Section 22500), and Chapter 10 (commencing with
Section 22650) of this division, and Article 3 (commencing with
Section 38305) and Article 4 (commencing with Section 38312)
of Chapter 5 of Division 16.5, under all of the following
conditions:
(a) If the vehicle is being driven in response to an emergency
call or while engaged in rescue operations or is being used in
the immediate pursuit of an actual or suspected violator of the
law or is responding to, but not returning from, a fire alarm,
except that fire department vehicles are exempt whether
directly responding to an emergency call or operated from one
place to another as rendered desirable or necessary by reason
of an emergency call and operated to the scene of the emergency
or operated from one fire station to another or to some other
location by reason of the emergency call.
(b) If the driver of the vehicle sounds a siren as may be
reasonably necessary and the vehicle displays a lighted red
lamp visible from the front as a warning to other drivers and
pedestrians.
A siren shall not be sounded by an authorized emergency
vehicle except when required under this section.
Amended Ch. 1017, Stats. 1977. Effective September 23, 1977.

Looks to me like there;s a whole bunch of traffic laws which don't apply to police in an emergency.
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Old 07-28-2014, 11:32 AM   #23
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I honestly can't understand why lane splitting is illegal in much of the USA, when it is legal and normal in most of the rest of the world… It certainly is in all the 15 or more European, Asian and Oceanic countries I have ridden in.

It is encouraged in some, with a box at the front of the lane at traffic lights, that motorcycles can filter up to.

Perhaps it is because those big fat All American style motorcycles take up almost half as much space as a small car. The smaller, narrower machines that I am more familiar with, make much more efficient use of road space, and parking space.

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Drivers in the US think they're entitled. There is little courtesy here. Most would rather hog the road than allow someone to get by them... even if, like in lane splitting, it means sticking all those bikes in line taking up more space. Which would mean they add to their time on the road getting stuck at more traffic lights, etc due to the bikes taking up space.

Drivers here are about 80% fools.
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Old 07-28-2014, 11:33 AM   #24
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Old 07-28-2014, 12:07 PM   #26
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damn site freer than a vast majority of the countries in the world. Just look at the news, people fleeing countries overun by drug lords, women tortured and killed at supposed religious whims, infighting based on religious or regional ties... and on and on.

Tell me, what countries are freer?
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Old 07-28-2014, 05:55 PM   #27
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Seriously? You really think that under California law an exception to the traffic law cannot be made for a police officer responding to an emergency?

Tell you what, why don't you read this and get back to me. It's from the California Vehicle Code.




Looks to me like there;s a whole bunch of traffic laws which don't apply to police in an emergency.
Seriously, since I was a sheriff in CA and we were taught that if you get in an accident while violating traffic law YOU ARE at fault I'll stand by what I said. That section you referenced just means a citation won't be issued. Accident fault will still be assigned. Therefore the CHP believes, and their representative has stated during the hearings for the law that was being considered to end lane splitting, that it could put their officers in an indefensible position if they split lanes while in pursuit and were involved in an accident. Anyone can cite a book, spend a little time researching the history before you pop off next time.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:19 PM   #28
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LEO/1st responders can't do that in other states?
LEO's in Virignia split, crappy part is I followed them to a light splitting and the last officer in line turned around to give me a ration of shit for it. No emergency lights on their bikes, but also no ticket for me, just an ass chewing... So I guess it was a fair trade for the 10 minutes of sweating in traffic I skipped.
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Okay that is funny, maybe it is a 5 pints of Guinness I have had but maybe not...
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We are doing ourselves a disservice by keeping the issue front and center. Let a perceived(instead of real) loss dissipate as opposed to giving it legs.
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