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Old 07-28-2014, 09:09 PM   #226
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I do like to ride fast, also... I have Push Mountain Road only 11 miles from my front door, and it's a blast. I ride it just about every Sunday morning, if possible, with maybe just a little too much velocity, I'll admit. The local sheriff's guys all know me, so I think I get a little bit more leeway that some of the guys on sportsbikes.

The local sheriff's deputies around here are far more concerned with trying to slow down the guys on Harleys and Gold Wings who, even though they're going the speed limit, can't "negotiate" the curves. We get a few deaths every summer, and usually it's a cruiser or a Gold Wing. Sometimes it's a deer strike. Most of the time, it's because the riders on big bikes are either going too fast for the curves, or they don't trust their machines and panic and lock up the wheels and then splat.
Kinda funny, I've probably done a couple hundred runs up and down Push and have never seen a cop on it. Which is pretty lucky considering how damn fast I ride on that road.
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Old 07-29-2014, 04:30 AM   #227
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Kinda funny, I've probably done a couple hundred runs up and down Push and have never seen a cop on it. Which is pretty lucky considering how damn fast I ride on that road.
The local sheriff's deputies are keeping an eye on Push Mtn Road since, for at least the last few summers, there have been quite a few deaths. I think it was three summers ago that there averaged 1 death per week.

Sunday mornings, though, it's fairly deserted

I don't think the State Troopers have any interest in Push Mtn Road, but the sheriff's boys do watch it now.
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Old 07-29-2014, 06:15 AM   #228
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The local sheriff's deputies are keeping an eye on Push Mtn Road since, for at least the last few summers, there have been quite a few deaths. I think it was three summers ago that there averaged 1 death per week.

Sunday mornings, though, it's fairly deserted

I don't think the State Troopers have any interest in Push Mtn Road, but the sheriff's boys do watch it now.
Back when I lived in Clarksville I'd hit it at least once a week, and almost always on weekdays. There were plenty of times I never saw another vehicle on it.
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Old 07-29-2014, 06:37 AM   #229
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If you want to talk about a subset of people who are *constantly* doing things to catch my attention, then we need to start talking about middle-aged women who drive a prius. Talk about being unaware of their surroundings.
Can you cite them for going 15 UNDER the posted limit?
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:08 AM   #230
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Back when I lived in Clarksville I'd hit it at least once a week, and almost always on weekdays. There were plenty of times I never saw another vehicle on it.
There's not much more traffic on it now. I usually see a dozen vehicles and maybe a half-dozen other motorcyclists, depending on when I ride it. Sunday morning, there are usually a few people going to church.

The bad thing about Push Mtn Road now is that the road surface is getting bad in places. I'd say 25% of its length needs to be re-paved, and since it's not a well-traveled road it doesn't get priority when the state starts allocating road funds.
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:16 AM   #231
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CCW, Don't care. Military I.D., Don't care.....what matters is attitude. Back when I used to run lazer caught a guy going well over the speed limit in a car I could have never caught in my Crown Vic. When he stopped I asked him why he was going so fast.....he said because there is never a cop there . Laughed walked back to the car ran his stuff, he was good, sent him on his way. Caught a guy doing doughnuts pulling out of a parking lot in a gorgeous new mustang. "Ummmm Officer well its a new car and the rear end got away from me". He said that with a straight face. Told him he was either the luckiest driver ever, or an incredible B.S. artist. Another good one....If you never want to admit how fast you were going just say.....fast enough to get your attention. Most people are not happy to get pulled over....I get it. But if you have the proper attitude you stand the best chance. All of these guys made me laugh, none got a ticket.

how about this... imagine you are a PA state trooper in an unmarked car on the side of a 55mph two lane road. around the bend comes a line of 4-5 cars and in the passing lane is a big block suburban passing all of them. you clock him going 96 (shut down speed for those trucks) and immediately turn your lights on. the driver pulls over right away, and when you get to the window slightly irate and ask the driver if he knows how fast he was going, he responds with "no officer, my father always told me to keep my eyes on the road when I was going that fast".

what is your response?
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:02 AM   #232
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how about this... imagine you are a PA state trooper in an unmarked car on the side of a 55mph two lane road. around the bend comes a line of 4-5 cars and in the passing lane is a big block suburban passing all of them. you clock him going 96 (shut down speed for those trucks) and immediately turn your lights on. the driver pulls over right away, and when you get to the window slightly irate and ask the driver if he knows how fast he was going, he responds with "no officer, my father always told me to keep my eyes on the road when I was going that fast".

what is your response?
Fair enough...Tell him what I got him at, ask him why he was doing it. check his stuff and send him on his was if everything was good. But then again I always used traffic to find other stuff. How did it work out for you?
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:45 AM   #233
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Fair enough...Tell him what I got him at, ask him why he was doing it. check his stuff and send him on his was if everything was good. But then again I always used traffic to find other stuff. How did it work out for you?
I was 17 at the time if I remember right, maybe just turned 18. I had 3 belted passengers in the vehicle. I executed the pass completely in the passing zone and merged safely back into the travel lane (no oncoming traffic, long straightaway, cars I was following had been doing 10 under for the last 20+ minutes).

he lost it, not in the haha that's funny way either. he said he could write me up for attempted murder for everyone in my vehicle and attempted manslaughter for everyone I passed. said he could have the vehicle towed and me sent straight to jail. after all this he wrote me a very large fine and I lost my license for 90 days. first speeding ticket I ever got and I lost my license over it.

I have always been honest with LEO's even though some say to say nothing. I have never been pinched for not doing something wrong and I take my ticket and always tell them to have a nice day and stay safe.

that first traffic stop was the only time I have been yelled at or lectured by an officer of the law and I have been caught going that fast several times since. maybe he was just having a bad day or thought I was to young to be going that fast who knows.
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:53 AM   #234
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// after all this he wrote me a very large fine and I lost my license for 90 days. first speeding ticket I ever got and I lost my license over it....
that first traffic stop was the only time I have been yelled at or lectured by an officer of the law and I have been caught going that fast several times since. maybe he was just having a bad day or thought I was to young to be going that fast who knows.
Well, that's probably because he didn't see too many other cars going 41mph over the speed limit?

Many speed limits are BS but my experience in the NE is anything 80mph or over and you are going to be in the top 5-10% of traffic speed.
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:55 AM   #235
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how about this... imagine you are a PA state trooper in an unmarked car on the side of a 55mph two lane road. around the bend comes a line of 4-5 cars and in the passing lane is a big block suburban passing all of them. you clock him going 96 (shut down speed for those trucks) and immediately turn your lights on. the driver pulls over right away, and when you get to the window slightly irate and ask the driver if he knows how fast he was going, he responds with "no officer, my father always told me to keep my eyes on the road when I was going that fast".

what is your response?
It is your responsibility, as the driver of a motorvehicle, to operate it safely and prudently. Within that obligation is the awareness of your vehicle speed and its relevance to traffic, weather, and legal conditions. Additionally, there are no allowances for speeding while passing another vehicle. If you have to exceed the speed limit to complete the pass, then you shouldn't have attempted the pass in the first place. What your father should have told you was that you should never drive so fast that you have to pick-and-chose what aspects of safe driving you are going to pay attention to and what you are going to ignore.

That's my official answer.

Honestly, based on your story, sounds like that officer was wound a little tight. I totally understand the frustration (and associated dangers) of being stuck behind a large, lumber truck, and usually don't bother stopping people who were clearly in the middle or tail end of a pass if everything else was copacetic.
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:57 AM   #236
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^^edit from above that needs its own post^^

I lied, I once was stopped for no reason and had to fight it out in court. after getting my license back from that first speeding ticket I still had points on my license. I was at school in a small town full of cops and residents who hated the school kids (tech school, lots of fart mufflers it was the start of the new millennium and fast a furious just came out).

anyway I come out of the grocery store after about 20 mins of shopping to find the town cop writing my plate number down. I ask her wants wrong and she said she is giving me a ticket for backing out on to a street. I look confused and she explains she saw me back out onto the street when I left the pizza shop to place my order before I drove down to the grocery store.

I said that's great then why didn't you pull me over then? she had no answer and I thought long and hard before I gave her my license and registration. she hands me a ticket for reckless driving, that ticket carries enough points to get my license suspended again.

I call my dad all upset because being a young man at a car collage who cant drive sucks! and he says well that's don't sound right and I said I know but she said she was in her right to stop me later. it goes to court and the judge says she cant do that and that he backs out onto a main road every day when he leaves to come to the court house and that's the end of that ticket.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:06 AM   #237
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Well, that's probably because he didn't see too many other cars going 41mph over the speed limit?

Many speed limits are BS but my experience in the NE is anything 80mph or over and you are going to be in the top 5-10% of traffic speed.
yes I was going 41 over the limit but in a safe way and I was not planning on continuing at that velocity once I completed the pass.

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It is your responsibility, as the driver of a motorvehicle, to operate it safely and prudently. Within that obligation is the awareness of your vehicle speed and its relevance to traffic, weather, and legal conditions. Additionally, there are no allowances for speeding while passing another vehicle. If you have to exceed the speed limit to complete the pass, then you shouldn't have attempted the pass in the first place. What your father should have told you was that you should never drive so fast that you have to pick-and-chose what aspects of safe driving you are going to pay attention to and what you are going to ignore.

That's my official answer.

Honestly, based on your story, sounds like that officer was wound a little tight. I totally understand the frustration (and associated dangers) of being stuck behind a large, lumber truck, and usually don't bother stopping people who were clearly in the middle or tail end of a pass if everything else was copacetic.
I understand both your official and "unofficial" view. I never understood that rule but I accept it. if someone is going ten under and you cant go above the limit to pass them there are only so many places to get that done.

the place where this ticket took place was a very long straight stretch through a valley that comes after miles of up/down/left/right mountain driving. they were going under the limit and I may have had enough time to cruse by them at the limit but I much rather speed up and spend less time in the oncoming traffic lane.
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Well, that's probably because he didn't see too many other cars going 41mph over the speed limit?

Many speed limits are BS but my experience in the NE is anything 80mph or over and you are going to be in the top 5-10% of traffic speed.
Oh, wait... 96 in a 55?!

Yeah, I would have thrown the book at you. Sounds like that officer had every right to be perturbed with your behavior.
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