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Old 08-22-2014, 11:35 AM   #16
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Part of the solution! Really. How has it worked out so far in Calif. Unless you change the entire political make up in your state it will get nothing but worse. You are out voted big time by the lib turds and freaks. I wish I had a simple answer for you. Yes, we all must try to do what we can.
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Old 08-22-2014, 12:16 PM   #17
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So, kkm, did you donate to FriendsofTahoeLawsuit@gmail.com?
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Old 08-22-2014, 01:08 PM   #18
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(donation already sent).

Is part of the lawsuit now about the egregious fees charged, or is the decision by Judge Mendez final?
No, we are appealing the judges decision on the original case to the 9th circuit. If the 9th circuit overturns Judge Mendez ruling then we will ask for reimbursement.

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wondering out loud how the lawsuit churning sierra club or biological diversity crew have ever been ordered to be held liable for their (frivolous) thousands and thousands of suits ?
PLF attorney's, with 35 years of experience, have not heard of this occurring in the West. It has occurred a few times in eastern district courts. This is intimidation to stop future cases. We are not a large, well funded, Pro OHV organization. None of us are paid land use folks. We came together when it became clear that the paid OHV advocates/orgs. had no plans to engage.

"Take what they give us" Don Amador. "We can't win in the 9th circuit" Don Amador. True statements, however when are we going to learn how to win if we never engage?

NEPA requires participation at every step in the process to create "standing". Without standing one can not litigate. AMA and BRC did NOT create standing. Sierra Access Coalition and CORVA did create standing and will be represented by PLF on another Travel Management case on the Plumas NF.

Our groups participation in the process did lead to some routes being legally designated. We forced the Tahoe NF to draft a Supplemental Draft Environmental statement (SDEIS) to correct the errors in the original DEIS. Delayed the process.

We also called out the errors in the MVUM when it was originally made public. Our pressure forced the MVUM to be pulled. Which meant that the decision was unenforceable. Nearly two year delay in enforcement.

The corrected Tahoe NF MVUM is out now and is enforceable.

The USFS did violate the NEPA process and we called out those errors. We are moving forward with our appeal in the 9th circuit. Pacific Legal Foundation has taken on the Sierra Access Coalition case on the Plumas NF.

PLF should be supported for its work to preserve public access. PLF took our case and the SAC/Plumas NF case pro-bono.

Thanks for your support!
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Old 08-22-2014, 05:12 PM   #19
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Old 08-22-2014, 06:26 PM   #20
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Do you know the saying ( Pissing into the wind ) The freaks in Calif will have there way. That state is so F___ked up. The lib turds and freaks have taken over. I hope they stay the hell out of Nevada
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hi kevin, thousands share your belief and i would not argue with you.

all i am asking is respect this thread, this is all about Tahoe NF and the people fighting to get the trails reopened.

keep your political views elsewhere. if you don't want to help, please leave us alone. there are plenty of other folks who care and want to help in this cause.
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Old 08-22-2014, 07:30 PM   #21
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Part of the solution! Really. How has it worked out so far in Calif. Unless you change the entire political make up in your state it will get nothing but worse. You are out voted big time by the lib turds and freaks. I wish I had a simple answer for you. Yes, we all must try to do what we can.
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prepare yourself,i'm sure you've seen changes coming your way, have you heard of the endangered greater sage grouse bird? your state has 17 million acres that the feds are looking to protect. So really this is not just a state issue,it is really the feds who have the power to grab land.
These issues will not go away either,the feds will continue to be pressed to pass monument designations and so forth,ill quit babbling I don't want to depress you.Gary Lambert in your state is hard at work fighting land closure.
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NEPA requires participation at every step in the process to create "standing". Without standing one can not litigate. AMA and BRC did NOT create standing. Sierra Access Coalition and CORVA did create standing and will be represented by PLF on another Travel Management case on the Plumas NF.


Thanks for your support!
thanks bebe for posting more info.

on the earliest post, i didn't see CORVA and somewhat i felt that you were left to yourselves.

as a loyal supporter of corva and life-time member, i contacted amy granat (managing director) this morning and ask for corva's position in this issue.

good to hear that corva is actively fighting 3 major closures, this one, occotillo wells and the Plumas NF.


http://www.amlands.org/media//DIR_13...19ffffe905.pdf


good to have PACIFIC LEGAL FOUNDATION helping you and corva. PLF has helped other good causes too. this organization is all about justice, not making money!


bebe, let's just hope more people pitch in.

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Old 08-22-2014, 07:33 PM   #23
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Thank's for posting this! i'm sending money via paypal.
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Old 08-22-2014, 09:29 PM   #24
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Gary Lambert in your state is hard at work fighting land closure.
Gary is a great guy. Last year he took time out of his land fights to haul me out of the desert and get me to the hospital and this year he helped me fight my neighbors HOA over noise/land use issues (yeah, I lost).
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Old 08-23-2014, 08:05 PM   #25
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Contact: Jacquelyne “Bebe” Theisen FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Phone: 530-888-8302
E-Mail: FriendsofTahoeLawsuit@gmail.com

USDA TAHOE NATIONAL FOREST SENDS OHV GROUPS A MESSAGE
...
A PayPal Account has been set up for electronic donations which can be gifted to FriendsOfTahoeLawsuit@gmail.com, while checks can
be made Payable to Grass Valley 4-Wheelers Inc. and sent to P.O. Box 824 Grass Valley, CA 95945. If our forest users can donate the
amount of what it would cost for 1 tank of fuel or a weekend in the forest, we could easily reach our goal of $15,000.00. The government
is charging interest on this bill, and it will accrue until paid.
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For more information on this release or to schedule and interview with Jacquelyne “Bebe” Theisen, please call 530-888-8302 or e-mail at
FriendsOfTahoeLawsuit@gmail.com.

Thank you,

Jacquelyne "Bebe" Theisen

Thanks for forwarding this to us Dave. I just sent my donation via paypal. While I have your attention,
which local trail support groups did you recommend we contact for Tahoe NF trail maint. days?


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Old 08-23-2014, 11:14 PM   #26
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No, we are appealing the judges decision on the original case to the 9th circuit. If the 9th circuit overturns Judge Mendez ruling then we will ask for reimbursement.



PLF attorney's, with 35 years of experience, have not heard of this occurring in the West. It has occurred a few times in eastern district courts. This is intimidation to stop future cases. We are not a large, well funded, Pro OHV organization. None of us are paid land use folks. We came together when it became clear that the paid OHV advocates/orgs. had no plans to engage.

"Take what they give us" Don Amador. "We can't win in the 9th circuit" Don Amador. True statements, however when are we going to learn how to win if we never engage?

NEPA requires participation at every step in the process to create "standing". Without standing one can not litigate. AMA and BRC did NOT create standing. Sierra Access Coalition and CORVA did create standing and will be represented by PLF on another Travel Management case on the Plumas NF.

Our groups participation in the process did lead to some routes being legally designated. We forced the Tahoe NF to draft a Supplemental Draft Environmental statement (SDEIS) to correct the errors in the original DEIS. Delayed the process.

We also called out the errors in the MVUM when it was originally made public. Our pressure forced the MVUM to be pulled. Which meant that the decision was unenforceable. Nearly two year delay in enforcement.

The corrected Tahoe NF MVUM is out now and is enforceable.

The USFS did violate the NEPA process and we called out those errors. We are moving forward with our appeal in the 9th circuit. Pacific Legal Foundation has taken on the Sierra Access Coalition case on the Plumas NF.

PLF should be supported for its work to preserve public access. PLF took our case and the SAC/Plumas NF case pro-bono.

Thanks for your support!

Thank you for your hard work I work with the stewards of the sierra and they are just about to go thru the second round of DEIS's. Maybe you can help down here too !
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