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Old 08-28-2014, 09:25 AM   #31
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That's the thing, I have been riding motorcycles for over 12 years and over 50,000 miles and never had to replace a clutch. The F800 was used 100% for commuting to and from work on the interstate 50 miles a day (not even stop and go traffic).
I'm fighting with BMW warranty to replace it because there's no way I destroyed a clutch using it for commuting. At this point I'm trying to figure out why it wore faster than expected or even if it really is worn. It seems to have plenty of life left and I'm now up to 10,000 miles and haven't replaced it.
I sent this link to the rep from BMW warranty so hopefully he sees it and does the right thing. (Hi Mark!)
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Old 08-28-2014, 10:20 AM   #32
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One lady here wore out her clutch on the way home from the Dealer who F'd up the adjustment. It was reluctantly replaced by said Dealer when we argued her case.
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Old 08-28-2014, 10:56 AM   #33
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It is always the case with BMW, as I have painfully learned, that you do not buy the bike, you buy the dealer.
Any dealer who delivers a bike with a clutch so far out of adjustment that it is toast in such a short period of time, needs to be seriously examined by Motorrad. However, Motorrad don't give a sht about consumers or repeat customers. They want big new sales numbers so they can pump out press releases and crow about sales figures. They will run short of new buyers sooner or later, and their lack of respect of consumers who they have screwed over as first time buyers will come back to haunt them when there is a drop in repeat business. Take a look at how Motorrad have screwed over waterboxer owners, with bikes out of service for months and no spare parts back up because all parts are destined for production and not for spares.

On the F bikes, they didn't issue a bulletin fast enough to cover problems with the recommended 1mm-2mm slack. They still won't admit that F650GS models had the same rear wheel bearing failures as the F800's. They also let dealers re-install items like brake disc bolts instead of using new ones as specified. Sure, you can re-use them if you know what to look for and how to do it, all some dealers do is use a massive amount of loctite and call it good without even looking for a torque wrench.

But, don't feel bad about need a new clutch at your second service interval or even your first! Some clown will be along soon enough to begin making excuses for Motorrad, it always happens. In fact, Motorrad counts on these ones.

Strange there is no conventional aftermarket clutch available for the F bikes that is cheaper and better. Like stators, for example.
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Old 08-29-2014, 12:02 PM   #34
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... Strange there is no conventional aftermarket clutch available for the F bikes that is cheaper and better. Like stators, for example.
I just talked to a guy at Barnett: www.barnettclutches.com/ he says he will bring up the topic of adding a pack that fits the twins at the next weekly engineering staff round-table ... keep your fingers crossed!
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Old 08-29-2014, 12:11 PM   #35
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I just talked to a guy at Barnett: www.barnettclutches.com/ he says he will bring up the topic of adding a pack that fits the twins at the next weekly engineering staff round-table ... keep your fingers crossed!
Excellent!

Can they get KL315's too?





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Old 08-29-2014, 01:27 PM   #36
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Just returned from the dealer for service -- of course they adjusted the clutch too tight!
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Old 08-30-2014, 06:00 PM   #37
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Excellent!

Can they get KL315's too?

Yeah yeah ... I promise nothing ... and occasionally under-deliver
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Old 08-30-2014, 07:01 PM   #38
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I just talked to a guy at Barnett: www.barnettclutches.com/ he says he will bring up the topic of adding a pack that fits the twins at the next weekly engineering staff round-table ... keep your fingers crossed!

Thanks, JR! Good one to mention to that Barnett rep.
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Old 09-04-2014, 04:27 AM   #39
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Dumb question about adjustment

Is there any difference adjusting the play in the clutch from either end of the cable? Where the cable goes into the lever there's also an adjustment threaded piece, it can be adjusted by hand (no tools required) and it changes the play in the clutch. Is it different that adjusting it from the clutch end (lower side of the cable)?

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Old 09-04-2014, 08:58 AM   #40
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The upper adjustment point and procedure that you mention, I believe is the lever "span". It is adjustable for various hand sizes and has no effect on the clutch play per se. At least as far as I know and have experienced.

The adjustment point is at the bottom. That previously mentioned idea about the new cables being longer than the original cables is interesting. Same for using the "thinner" nut on the cable to get a thread or two more. I plan on trying that before swapping out the clutch and maybe gain enough time to see if Barnett or someone brings out a cheaper and better aftermarket clutch.

BMW screwed up with the clutch free play spec, originally.
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Old 09-04-2014, 09:57 AM   #41
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I believe on the newer models, there is also clutch play adjustment at the lever as well as lever adjustment. The older cables did not have the barrel adjustment at the lever, where as the newer cables do, depending on the model year.
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Old 09-04-2014, 10:43 AM   #42
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I believe on the newer models, there is also clutch play adjustment at the lever as well as lever adjustment. The older cables did not have the barrel adjustment at the lever, where as the newer cables do, depending on the model year.
I need to have a look.
So they have adjustment for clutch free play at both the lever and the clutch throw?
Wonder why they did that? Maybe because the same guys looked at the alternator arrangement and maybe will look at the fuel pump arrangement?
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Old 09-04-2014, 05:03 PM   #43
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In my f800gs of 2011 I've traveled 200,000 kms with the original clutch.
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Old 09-04-2014, 05:09 PM   #44
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In my f800gs of 2011 I've traveled 200,000 kms with the original clutch.
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Ya puedes subir sus notas de maintenamiento, quiero ver que han pasado con lo suya en ese lapso de tiempo. Gracias!
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Old 09-04-2014, 05:34 PM   #45
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El pasado 14 de agosto complete los primeros 200.000kms, con esta f800gs

A lo dicho y de modo resumido:

Revisiones cada 10.000 kms. según el manual de mantenimiento.

Fungibles:
- 8.638 litros de gasolina
- 17 juegos de neumáticos.
- 7 juegos de pastillas traseras.
- 2 juegos de pastillas delanteras, (próximo el tercer juego).
- 5 juegos de transmisión.
- 1 juego de discos delanteros
- 1 disco trasero.

Mantenimiento/reparaciones mas significativas:
- 2 Juegos de rodamientos de dirección
- 2 juegos de rodamientos traseros
- retenes varios
- batería
- alternador
- bomba de gasolina
- bomba de agua
- antena anular

Fecha Kms. Kms. Parcial Consumo
23/09/2011 1 Estreno moto
26/09/2011 1.016 Revisión 1.000
03/11/2011 10.721 Revisión 10.000 10.721 4,10
04/12/2011 16.400 Rotura de latiguillos de frenos y guardabarros
31/01/2012 21.000 Revisión 20.000 21.000 4,10
28/03/2012 32.748 Revision 30.000, Pastillas traseras 32.748 4,10
12/04/2012 35.345 Kit de transmisión. Faldon derecho 35.345
20/06/2012 43.414 Revisión 40.000 4,30
31/07/2012 53.545 Fin mes Revisión 50.000. Faldón izdo. Retén suspensión. 53.545 4,30
28/08/2012 62.745 Cambio pastillas freno trasero 29.997
03/09/2012 64.546 Revisión 60.000. Reten izdo. 4,40
28/09/2012 73.798 Revisión 70.000. Anual. Kit Transmisión. Rodamientos traseros. Pastillas delanteras. 38.453 4,30
12/12/2012 85.027 Revision 80.000. Rodamiento direccion Fuga aceite/agua. Deposito 11.229 4,40
02/01/2013 87.869 Pastillas traseras nuevas 25.124
90.134 Bomba de agua
21/02/2013 96.522 Revisión 90.000. 11.495 4,40
05/03/2013 99.500 Cambio Rodamientos traseros Marruecos
07/03/2013 100.000 Cambio Bateria.
11/06/2013 102.165 Kit de transmision 28.367
03/07/2013 107.988 Revisión 100.000 11.466 4,50
15/07/2013 112.010 Cambio del alternador
23/07/2013 115.114 Cambio pastillas traseras. 27.245
09/08/2013 119.900 Revisión de 110.000 11.912 4,30
30/10/2013 130.214 Revisión 120.000 10.314 4,20
21/01/2014 140.300 Pastillas traseras. Ruedas de tacos (587) 25.186
22/01/2014 140.308 Revisión 130.000. Cambio bomba de gasolina 10.094 4,50
27/01/2014 140.855 Antena anular 4,50
29/01/2014 140.887 Disco trasero. Ruedas carretera 4,40
21/02/2014 145.529 Kit de transmisión. Rotura del caballete 43.364 4,20
19/03/2014 151.249 Revisión 140.000. Cambio patines motor. Torica bomba de agua 51.749 4,40
04/04/2014 155.380 Rodamiento corona trasera
21/04/2014 160.934 100.000 millas 4,20
Consumo: 7l/100 millas 4,33L/100kms 6.962,68Litros
27/04/2014 162.170 Pastillas freno traseras 21.870
29/04/2014 162.307 Revisión 150.000 11.058 4,20
19/05/2014 169.100 Cambio de discos delanteros. Aprox 150.000kms.
22/05/2014 170.240 Cambio Rodamientos de direccion
31/05/2014 173.000 Camel tank
02/06/2014 173.118 Revision 160.000 10.811 4,20
26/06/2014 182.877 Cambio amortiguacion y suspension. HRG y Ohlins
27/06/2014 183.599 Cambio kit de transmision. 120.854
03/07/2014 185.410 Revisión 170.000. Ruedas Kineo 12.292 4,30
17/07/2014 191.000 Cambio pastillas traseras 28.830
04/08/2014 196.573 Revision 180.00kms 11.163 4,40
14/08/2014 200.000 4,32 8.638,07 3.427 4,20
Consumo 4,32l/100kms. 8638,07 Litros
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